22inch monitor

[log1kq2]

So my dad's 21inch gateway LCD died. He needs a replacement and his budget is around $250-$330. So I thought maybe he could get a 22inch now. I still use my old school CRT, so I am not that savvy when it comes to LCDs. I am thinking about a Dell, maybe the SP2208WFP or UltraSharp 2208WFP. If there is something better out there in that price range let me know.



Thanks in advance.

 

[s44]

That Gateway's S-PVA panel is probably better than any cheap 22" you'll be able to find. (Only problem was the quality control and warranty...) But I don't think there are any really high-end monitors at that size either...

 

[Dadofamunky]

Cool, I didn't know Gateway had one of those. The Lenovo L220x is also S-PVA and I'm picking one up tomorrow. Google it and you'll find it. It's a true 1920x1200 on 22". It's 8-bit and the quality is astounding. A little more than he wants to spend, but I reall think that for $470 it is worth the price differential. And Lenovo is a strong manufacturer. I'm very excited about my purchase.

 

[log1kq2]

Considering what he does what's the best monitor he can get in that price range?

P.S. He refuses to purchase another gateway panel.

 

[log1kq2]

what do you guys think of the Acer AL2216Wbd. He get that off newegg for $200.

 

[HumblePie]

If you can find one in the store, go to office depot and look for the Soyo 24" monitors that say 5ms or 6ms on the box. Anything faster is a TN panel. The ones that say that and have a package date older than December 2007 are the best MVA paneled monitors out there you can get at a ridiculously low price right now.

Mainly because while the monitors are outstanding, Soyo had bad quality control and many monitors shipped with bad pixels/screens. If you get a good one, chances are it'll stay good, my two have. Call around to your local office depots and see if they have one in stock.

There is very LARGE thread on hardforums about this monitor and a few decent size threads on these forums as well to get some input on this monitor. The best thing about this monitor is that is has a very very very low input lag. Most MVA panels if memory serves me right has about a 2 to 4 frame delay. Meaning if you took the same output to a CRT and to a MVA panel, you'll see the same frame on the LCD 2 to 4 frames after you saw it on the CRT. The Soyo has less than a 1/4th of a frame delay, which means you can't tell even when gaming there is a delay. The input really isn't big deal though unless you are gaming. Still, if you can get a good MVA panel for cheap without the delay why not go for it?

 

[Foxery]

What about the sticky thread?

I also just got some 22"ers for our office. Per the sticky, and customer reviews all over the web, "cheap" brands like Acer and BenQ are sometimes better than traditional big names like Dell... and for less money, too.

 

[octopus41092]

Soyo

It's 24", MVA panel and its only about $300 shipped if you pay using Paypal. Otherwise if you want a 22" and cheap I'd go with this Acer one.

Acer

 

[s44]

The Soyos don't have HDCP, I believe. So no Blu-Ray playback.

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: s44
The Soyos don't have HDCP, I believe. So no Blu-Ray playback.

HDCP is just a flag blu ray players check for. Nothing to do with capability. Just get a blu ray player that doesn't check for the flag, which some don't, and you can use those with anything. Or get a cable or box to go inline between the player and tv/monitor and fakes the flag for the player. It's just a stupid proprietary check Sony does to get more money. They do this junk with tons of crap.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: HumblePie

Originally posted by: s44
The Soyos don't have HDCP, I believe. So no Blu-Ray playback.

HDCP is just a flag blu ray players check for. Nothing to do with capability. Just get a blu ray player that doesn't check for the flag, which some don't, and you can use those with anything. Or get a cable or box to go inline between the player and tv/monitor and fakes the flag for the player. It's just a stupid proprietary check Sony does to get more money. They do this junk with tons of crap.

I think you have HDCP confused with something else. HDCP is an industry standard DRM scheme used to encrypt digital transmissions from video output devices to a monitor/TV, to prevent interception & copying of the digital signal. It's not a Sony proprietary thing in any way. Furthermore I'm fairly sure that the BluRay standard requires that all players implement HDCP, I don't believe there is such a thing as a player without HDCP.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: HumblePie

Originally posted by: s44
The Soyos don't have HDCP, I believe. So no Blu-Ray playback.

HDCP is just a flag blu ray players check for. Nothing to do with capability. Just get a blu ray player that doesn't check for the flag, which some don't, and you can use those with anything. Or get a cable or box to go inline between the player and tv/monitor and fakes the flag for the player. It's just a stupid proprietary check Sony does to get more money. They do this junk with tons of crap.

I think you have HDCP confused with something else. HDCP is an industry standard DRM scheme used to encrypt digital transmissions from video output devices to a monitor/TV, to prevent interception & copying of the digital signal. It's not a Sony proprietary thing in any way. Furthermore I'm fairly sure that the BluRay standard requires that all players implement HDCP, I don't believe there is such a thing as a player without HDCP.

I think he's right. But all is not lost. AnyDVD HD supports BluRay beautifully on non-HDCP setups. I know because I've used it for eight months. Now that I have an HDCP-compliant 24", I don't have to worry about it anymore. AnyDVD is kinda expensive, though.

 

[log1kq2]

Thanks for the all the input. I told him to get the Acer AL2216Wbd.

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: HumblePie

Originally posted by: s44
The Soyos don't have HDCP, I believe. So no Blu-Ray playback.

HDCP is just a flag blu ray players check for. Nothing to do with capability. Just get a blu ray player that doesn't check for the flag, which some don't, and you can use those with anything. Or get a cable or box to go inline between the player and tv/monitor and fakes the flag for the player. It's just a stupid proprietary check Sony does to get more money. They do this junk with tons of crap.

I think you have HDCP confused with something else. HDCP is an industry standard DRM scheme used to encrypt digital transmissions from video output devices to a monitor/TV, to prevent interception & copying of the digital signal. It's not a Sony proprietary thing in any way. Furthermore I'm fairly sure that the BluRay standard requires that all players implement HDCP, I don't believe there is such a thing as a player without HDCP.

Nope not confused. It's a flag, for a key for decryption of the HD signal. Nothing more. Maybe I over simplified the description a bit, but it is what it is.

It' is a Sony proprietary thing. Sony invented Bluray. Sony invented HDCP for protection of their Bluray. Hence, it is entirely a Sony thing.

Is there ways to get around this? Yes. As stated, all you need is something to decryp the signal for HDCP and voila! You can watch BluRay on a no HDCP monitor. Other than that, there is nothing stopping any monitor from displaying such a signal. For PC's, there are a few software titles that will handle that for you, and there are hardware ways around it too.

 

[kylebisme]

HDCP is more than just a flag, and it wasn't made by Sony:

http://www.digital-cp.com/hdcp_technologies

And while you can find HDCP strippers, they aren't cheap.