2200+ mobile vs 2400+ mobile @ newegg ?!?!?

[Soulkeeper]

i am upgrading a cpu for my uncle who has an a7v333 and a 1700+ palomino

i need the best mobile athlon 266fsb that can easily bump to 333fsb (since the motherboard don't allow mult adjustment)

i was thinking the 2200+ would be the best choice, does anyone think i should go with the 2400+ instead ??

fsb speeds will probably be within 155 and 177

what do you all think ?

 

[Budman]

I am not certain but if your board doesnt have multiplier adjustments I dont think you will be able to use the chip to it's full potential.

I think without adjustments the mobile default multiplier is very low (6x i think),so it would be underclocked.

 

[BlueWeasel]

If all you're looking to do is hit 166 FSB with no multiiplier adjustment, then pretty much any of the mobile chips would suffice. It's just all a matter of how high a clockspeed you want, and the price you're willing to pay.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Basically what i really need to know is what kinda overclocks have you guys been getting with this things at 1.65v or less ??

can i expect 2075mhz on the 2200+ and 2241 on the 2400+ with only 1.65v ?
or does the 2400+ overclock sound less possible ?

voltage must remain fairly low because the cooling solution is not the best

i've already ruled out the 2500+ and up just to be safe (since the mults are so high, and most xp's i've messed with needed higher voltage to get over the 2.2-2.3ish hump) and also because of price concerns.

thanks for any input

 

[Budman]

Soulkeeper, I have been googling that A7V333 & it looks like it does have multiplier adjustments.

If you are going to put 1.65v to it I think it would be pretty easy to reach 2.2ghz or 2.3ghz.

 

[Soulkeeper]

i searched forever to find mult adjustments for that thing
aparently it is an earlier revision so it is missing the pots to change the mult and it has no options in the bios

also the board don't have vdimm adjustments
but does have vcore and cas settings

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
i searched forever to find mult adjustments for that thing
aparently it is an earlier revision so it is missing the pots to change the mult and it has no options in the bios

also the board don't have vdimm adjustments
but does have vcore and cas settings

Maybe it's not in the bios because you're using a locked chip?

it's weird because all the reviews I seem have the multiplier adjustments in the bios,very weird.

You using the latest bios?

 

[Avalon]

If it doesn't have multi adjustments, and it auto defaults to x6 like the mobiles tend to do, that would be bad news for the system :X

 

[Soulkeeper]

i'm starting to think the 2200+ would be the safer bet
because if the 2400+ can't hold 2241mhz then i'll have to back down the fsb and nobody wants to do that
and if the 2200+ can easily take 2075mhz then i can alway move the fsb above 166mhz if it's still not fast enough for him

they mostly use it for internet and games no need to push the limits i guess

thanks for the help guys

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
i searched forever to find mult adjustments for that thing
aparently it is an earlier revision so it is missing the pots to change the mult and it has no options in the bios

also the board don't have vdimm adjustments
but does have vcore and cas settings

Maybe it's not in the bios because you're using a locked chip?

it's weird because all the reviews I seem have the multiplier adjustments in the bios,very weird.

You using the latest bios?

it's an older palomino so it should be unlocked

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: Avalon
If it doesn't have multi adjustments, and it auto defaults to x6 like the mobiles tend to do, that would be bad news for the system :X

indeed
nice bit of information
i'll have to read up on this some more before i rush off and click the buy button

thanks

 

[Soulkeeper]

let me check and see which a7v333 bios version supports the mobile xp's real quick

maybe a bios update will make it atleast use the proper mult, what do you all think ??

asus's site is down like usual, hahaha

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper

it's an older palomino so it should be unlocked

I may be wrong on this one, but the older palomino's are locked and the multipliers can't be changed in the BIOS, right?

[Edit] I had a XP 2000+ Palomino, and I couldn't change the multiplier on my Epox NForce2 board.

 

[Soulkeeper]

i remember checking the L1 bridges and they were connected..
but i suppose i can check again if my memory is failing me or i'm missing something here

 

[Soulkeeper]

do they have cpu info programs you can run these days that tell you if a cpu is mult locked or not ?
or does anyone suggest a week or way of telling ?
cause i kinda wanna blame the board here because it seems to have a complete lack of overclocking options

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
let me check and see which a7v333 bios version supports the mobile xp's real quick

maybe a bios update will make it atleast use the proper mult, what do you all think ??

asus's site is down like usual, hahaha

from what I read it's max multiplier is 14X ,so best case scenario you'll be able to reach 14 X 133 = 1862mhz.


edit:

asus site working good for me.

http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=A7V333

 

[Soulkeeper]

ok their bios site doesn't even mention mobile athlon support

maybe i'll just go with a non mobile 266fsb instead (which may end up being locked)
does that sound to cautious to you guys ?

 

[Soulkeeper]

maybe i'll sleep on it and let you know what i do

thanks everyone

 

[Blain]

The less "custom" (aka OC'd), your uncles system is, the less calls you'll get for tech support.
I NEVER set up an OC machine for family or general acquaintances.

 

[Jen]

you can do the wire mod on changeing the multiplier for the processor or tmc-xp multiplier changers could be used


if the board will support the barton cores it should do fine for the mobile .


my 35w 2400+ did 2300mhz at 1.68 volts but its all just luck and how good the cooling is used



Jen

 

[estew33]

I just popped in a axpm 2200+ it's running @ 2.4 gig @ 1.65 no problem. I now need to find some king of program to stress it good. Anyone know of any
Thanks
Ed

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: estew33
I just popped in a axpm 2200+ it's running @ 2.4 gig @ 1.65 no problem. I now need to find some king of program to stress it good. Anyone know of any
Thanks
Ed

prime 95 stress testing.

http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm

 

[Soulkeeper]

ok i just checked the board out
it is revision 1.02 which according to asus won't run the barton's (but what does asus know anyways?)
it also has clock mult adjustments, so i think Avalon was right about the cpu being locked because it would always say "cpu failed due to cpu overclocking" everytime i tryed any mults other than the default

so i think i'm just gonna get a 2200+ mobile barton throw that in there and bump it up to 2.2ghz if i can
this should basically max the board out and give him a good boost over a 1700+ paly

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: Blain
The less "custom" (aka OC'd), your uncles system is, the less calls you'll get for tech support.
I NEVER set up an OC machine for family or general acquaintances.

he lives next door, so if anything goes wrong i'll prob just buy the cpu back from him and get a non-mobile and set things default