That's an accurate assessment. The vast majority will never see any actual "truck" use. I have a neighbor with a diesel dually, $6k worth of rims and huge tires on it. The bed is pristine and it doesn't have a trailer hitch.
Brovane
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Did anyone who actually purchased FSD in CA make a claim that they where deceived?
sdifox
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FSD false advertising case: Tesla must stop lying or it can’t sell cars, judge rules
Tesla engaged in false advertising for its Full Self-Driving system. Unless it fixes the issues, its license to sell in CA will be suspended.
electrek.co
Looks like it was California DMV that initiated the investigation. I don't think it requires a consumer plaintiff for regulators to investigate deceptive marketing.
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FSD false advertising case: Tesla must stop lying or it can’t sell cars, judge rules
Tesla engaged in false advertising for its Full Self-Driving system. Unless it fixes the issues, its license to sell in CA will be suspended.
Looks like it was California DMV that initiated the investigation. I don't think it requires a consumer plaintiff for regulators to investigate deceptive marketing.
Did the judge think people are not able to read?
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IronWing
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Calling the feature full self driving when it isn't is false advertising.
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Red Squirrel
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They could have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they had just said it was beta. Which, it basically is. Also, not charging 10k and a subscription fee for it, but instead making it free, would also help. You already paid like 70k+ for the car it's insane having to pay even more to use a feature that is already in it.
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It’s false advertising and Musk lies to Tesla’s investors about “FSD” as well.
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I don't think you understand there is a grey area between legal definition and a marketing term.
Tesla clearly defines that the vehicle is not fully autonomous in it's marketing.
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You're just advocating for marketers to be able to dishonestly create copy, regardless of the plain meaning of words.
Calling something "full self driving" and then having an asterisks everywhere to say that it isn't really "full self driving" is dishonest and we shouldn't allow such marketing copy. Why are we defending weasely practices?
I don't understand what the legal problem is?
Elon told us at least 5 years ago that Tesla FSD could soon drive your car coast to coast autonomously.
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Elon told us at least 5 years ago that Tesla FSD could soon drive your car coast to coast autonomously.
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For me I activate FSD from park in my garage and it drives me to my destination and parks itself, so isn't that FSD or Autopilot?
Fenixgoon
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Can it do that on all roads, in various weather and lighting conditions, without crashing, and with tesla assuming liability if the vehicle does crash?
Admittedly it doesn't have to be perfect (despite the everywhere, all the time above), but it needs to be able to avoid mistakes humans would avoid and achieve SAE L5 certification. Otherwise, its just another driver assist implementation.
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By your definition, Waymo vehicles are just another driver assist implementation. Is that what you intended?
sdifox
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yes, none of them are at L5. Waymo is at L4. Tesla FSD is still at L2.
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When Waymo advertises it's services as autonomous/self driving are they guilty of false advertising?
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The 6 Levels of Vehicle Autonomy Explained | Synopsys Automotive
Discover the 6 levels of vehicle autonomy, from manual to fully autonomous driving. Understand SAE's classification and advancements in driver assistance technology.
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The 6 Levels of Vehicle Autonomy Explained | Synopsys Automotive
Discover the 6 levels of vehicle autonomy, from manual to fully autonomous driving. Understand SAE's classification and advancements in driver assistance technology.www.synopsys.com
So yes/no, is Waymo guilty of false advertising?
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No, becaus waymo isnt selling vehicles to the general public with "full self driving" capability.
It's operating a limited fleet of autonomous taxi vehicles with local government approvals.
One is very different from the other.
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Waymo is advertising to the general public that it's vehicles have "full self driving/autonomous" capability.
False advertising according to your definition of full self driving. But sure you can cover for them if you want.
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