Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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Please vote for Biden. He is a great candidate to sink the USA in the swamp. He cannot even think, talk, and walk remember things :laughing::joycat: He can easily destroy America.

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Meanwhile the former President is pooping his pant. This is very possibly literal, he is shitting in his pants.


 

eelw

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But apparently his legal team orders $700 worth of McD for lunch during the trial. So hopefully Ronald McDonald will finish him off before trial is done.
 
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VashHT

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Younger people trip or forget things all the time, it's idiotic how right wingers try to take some examples of this as dementia. I've seen real dementia and it is far far worse than how Biden acts. Meanwhile, the only way trump speaks is an incoherent verbal diarrhea and he trips and forgets shit all the time as well. On top of that he was one of the worst presidents this country ever had and didn't do shit to help us but the foreign trolls think they can convince us that he's better than Biden lol.
 

repoman0

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Maybe they won’t cut it even in this tiny corner of the internet and end up on the front lines just in time for a $60B welcome.
 
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fskimospy

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Maybe they won’t cut it even in this tiny corner of the internet and end up on the front lines just in time for a $60B welcome.
Look they are just concerned global citizens who are deeply morally opposed to Israel's genocide in Gaza while being apologetic for if not outride enthusiastic for Russia's genocide in Ukraine.

This is because these individuals have no morals or principles.
 
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Look they are just concerned global citizens who are deeply morally opposed to Israel's genocide in Gaza while being apologetic for if not outride enthusiastic for Russia's genocide in Ukraine.

This is because these individuals have no morals or principles.
I hate to bothsides the issue however I have to
Nobody is clean in Gaza, sure Israel has done some deplorable stuff, so has Hamas. Let’s begin with a mass rocket attack that appeared to be mostly random as to where the rockets would land, they obviously consider every casualty to be a success. Let’s also acknowledge that nearly all the hostages takes are Women, Children or the Elderly. Not exactly a proper thing to do.
Now I am going to shut up, I am comfortable bashing neither party wants peace.
 

fskimospy

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I hate to bothsides the issue however I have to
Nobody is clean in Gaza, sure Israel has done some deplorable stuff, so has Hamas. Let’s begin with a mass rocket attack that appeared to be mostly random as to where the rockets would land, they obviously consider every casualty to be a success. Let’s also acknowledge that nearly all the hostages takes are Women, Children or the Elderly. Not exactly a proper thing to do.
Now I am going to shut up, I am comfortable bashing neither party wants peace.
I think this is one of the few areas where at least a degree of #bothsides is absolutely warranted. Then again most people seem to already acknowledge this but people like Raildogg try to pretend otherwise.
 

eelw

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Speaker Johnson press conference at Columbia University. Like I get the full backing of Israel but the complete disregard to the protests. Well let Repugnicans continue to paint themselves into corners. Why Palestinian supporters think not voting in November will solve anything.
 
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Speaker Johnson press conference at Columbia University. Like I get the full backing of Israel but the complete disregard to the protests. Well let Repugnicans continue to paint themselves into corners. Why Palestinian supporters think not voting in November will solve anything.
Because they’re stupid. Why would you think a mass indiscriminate rocket attack would gain you favor.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Speaker Johnson press conference at Columbia University. Like I get the full backing of Israel but the complete disregard to the protests. Well let Repugnicans continue to paint themselves into corners. Why Palestinian supporters think not voting in November will solve anything.

- Yeah what a stupid fucking move on Johnson's part. Shoulda just stayed out of it and let libs/dems eat themselves. Now there is solid gold ammo to use against every "uncommitted" vote... you want to vote for the guys that are OK with throwing even Jews in jail that speak out against Israel? Does that seem like a less extreme position than Biden?
 

Indus

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Please vote for Biden. He is a great candidate to sink the USA in the swamp. He cannot even think, talk, and walk remember things :laughing::joycat: He can easily destroy America.

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He seems to really MISUNDERESTIMATE us!

Our drinking of COVFEFE has rendered our brains unhackable!

His logic bomb brute force no worky! Might wanna call for maintenance!
 
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gothuevos

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Yeah, this won't go to trial before the election. Afterwards, he gets his DOJ to drop charges or just pardons himself.

"wE GoT HiM tHiS TiMe, GuYs"

 

gothuevos

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This is what happens when you get to appoint THREE scotus judges. The Jill Stein and Bernie voters from 2016 must be so proud.

All Trump's lawyers had to do was argue he's immune "just because," and....it's going to work LOL. Teflon Don indeed.

Opens up the door to all sorts of activity during Trump 2, as well as easy access to Trump 3, 4, etc.

 

GodisanAtheist

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It's fucking wild how Trump has really shown that we are to pay no mind to the man behind the curtain.

Whole fucking thing is a sham, it really was made up as as we went along.
 
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ivwshane

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It's fucking wild how Trump has really shown that we are to pay no mind to the man behind the curtain.

Whole fucking thing is a sham, it really was made up as as we went along.

It’s always been that way, the difference is that most people agreed that this was (not this particular situation) how things would work. In order for a society to function at a high level (or any level really) the people of said society must agree on norms, institutions, and rules/laws. Without that trust it becomes a society that resigns itself to being ruled by whoever has the resources and power and it then becomes a fight for resources and power.

It was a good run but I can point to a few things that led us to where we are today:

Having moral principals that we strive for as a country but that we didn’t adhere to in order to appease and avoid tough decisions, such as supporting slavery and the idea that black people were not equal to white men. This led to a lot of bad compromises and a civil war but it also it created an environment where future immigrants were also treated as lessors. This made us susceptible to “otherizing”.

A lack of trust in the American people and relying on a non elected group of people to pick the president has resulted in presidencies that by all accounts were failures, not only in what they achieved but how they negatively impacted America(ns).

Third: by allowing Congress to pass a law that violated the constitution and put an arbitrary restriction on the amount of house representatives meant representation would go to the extremes, with only the most active of voters getting representation. It also led to gerrymandering of voters in order to retain power.

Fourth: the filibuster or super majority requirement in the senate further eroded states ability to be represented and for more complicated and needed legislation to get passed and instead of creating an environment where compromise was necessary it did the opposite where no compromise was given because not compromising resulted in not getting things passed.

Lastly I think our ultimate downfall was that there were no checks or restrictions on money and access to politicians. The constitution explicitly gave the right for the people to lobby their representatives but without restrictions, the people’s voice could easily be out-lobbied by the rich and big business or industries. The fact that businesses have more rights and override individual liberties is also a huge issue.


There are a lot of other issues but I think the above would have fixed or subdued other issues that have caused problems (such as a dysfunctional Congress and a Supreme Court who clearly makes shit up to get the outcome they want or the MIC).
 

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It’s always been that way, the difference is that most people agreed that this was (not this particular situation) how things would work. In order for a society to function at a high level (or any level really) the people of said society must agree on norms, institutions, and rules/laws. Without that trust it becomes a society that resigns itself to being ruled by whoever has the resources and power and it then becomes a fight for resources and power.

It was a good run but I can point to a few things that led us to where we are today:

Having moral principals that we strive for as a country but that we didn’t adhere to in order to appease and avoid tough decisions, such as supporting slavery and the idea that black people were not equal to white men. This led to a lot of bad compromises and a civil war but it also it created an environment where future immigrants were also treated as lessors. This made us susceptible to “otherizing”.

A lack of trust in the American people and relying on a non elected group of people to pick the president has resulted in presidencies that by all accounts were failures, not only in what they achieved but how they negatively impacted America(ns).

Third: by allowing Congress to pass a law that violated the constitution and put an arbitrary restriction on the amount of house representatives meant representation would go to the extremes, with only the most active of voters getting representation. It also led to gerrymandering of voters in order to retain power.

Fourth: the filibuster or super majority requirement in the senate further eroded states ability to be represented and for more complicated and needed legislation to get passed and instead of creating an environment where compromise was necessary it did the opposite where no compromise was given because not compromising resulted in not getting things passed.

Lastly I think our ultimate downfall was that there were no checks or restrictions on money and access to politicians. The constitution explicitly gave the right for the people to lobby their representatives but without restrictions, the people’s voice could easily be out-lobbied by the rich and big business or industries. The fact that businesses have more rights and override individual liberties is also a huge issue.


There are a lot of other issues but I think the above would have fixed or subdued other issues that have caused problems (such as a dysfunctional Congress and a Supreme Court who clearly makes shit up to get the outcome they want or the MIC).

You know what.. maybe the frenchies had it right.. the right way to fix stuff is the guillotine.
 

Fkstick McDuff

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You know what.. maybe the frenchies had it right.. the right way to fix stuff is the guillotine.
Or a gallows. They built one for Pence. Yeah, it was a rickety piece of shit because it was built by simpletons, but the symbolism was there.
 

amenx

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I hate to bothsides the issue however I have to
Nobody is clean in Gaza, sure Israel has done some deplorable stuff, so has Hamas. Let’s begin with a mass rocket attack that appeared to be mostly random as to where the rockets would land, they obviously consider every casualty to be a success. Let’s also acknowledge that nearly all the hostages takes are Women, Children or the Elderly. Not exactly a proper thing to do.
Now I am going to shut up, I am comfortable bashing neither party wants peace.
Not sure how you can "both sides" the conflict unless you consider both sides equal in being oppressed, routinely have their homes bulldozed, lands stolen, women and children massacred, corralled into an open air prison and cut off from the outside world while others amongst their people live under a horrific apartheid system that has boots on their necks every day of the week. And when one side has absolute power to commit genocide and is engaging in it while the other is fighting to be free and survive even if they lash back and do to the other what routinely happens to them. The score card of pain and suffering is obscenely lop-sided.

Not sure where you get your warped sense of equality but assume you've been gaslit into it by the same media that are referring to the students (many Jewish) protesting the genocide as "campus terrorists".
 
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Not sure how you can "both sides" the conflict unless you consider both sides equal in being oppressed, routinely have their homes bulldozed, lands stolen, women and children massacred, corralled into an open air prison and cut off from the outside world while others amongst their people live under a horrific apartheid system that has boots on their necks every day of the week. And when one side has absolute power to commit genocide and is engaging in it while the other is fighting to be free and survive even if they lash back and do to the other what routinely happens to them. The score card of pain and suffering is obscenely lop-sided.

Not sure where you get your warped sense of equality but assume you've been gaslit into it by the same media that are referring to the students (many Jewish) protesting the genocide as "campus terrorists".
Nope I’m sitting this one out

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This doesn’t look like someone you need to keep as a prisoner of war. Admittedly they released her. I am questioning what was the purpose of capturing her.

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amenx

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Nope I’m sitting this one out

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This doesn’t look like someone you need to keep as a prisoner of war. Admittedly they released her. I am questioning what was the purpose of capturing her.

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There are 1000s of Pal prisoners held by Israel before Oct 7 incl women and children. Israeli hostages in past have been used as bargaining chips for their release.

As of a June 23 UN report... Currently, there were 5,000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons, including 160 children, and approximately 1,100 of them were detained without charge or trial...


Israel refuses to recognise Palestinian prisoners as prisoners of war, instead treating them as politically motivated criminals or terrorists and, subsequently, systematically depriving them of their rights, including the right to receive visits from their families. For instance, there were about 4,450 Palestinian “security prisoners” in Israel in April 2022, including 160 children, 32 women, and 530 administrative detainees; all were incarcerated without charge or trial.


Of course the number has swelled to 1000s more since Oct 7 and Israels security minister Ben-Gvir has recommended executing many of them to address overcrowding in the detention centers.