Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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APU_Fusion

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I see the closet MAGAT gothuevos is still going strong lol. I for one know that Biden will be reelected because he is drinking all the baby blood in Hillary’s basement. Biden we see on tv is Obama.
 

fskimospy

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I see the closet MAGAT gothuevos is still going strong lol. I for one know that Biden will be reelected because he is drinking all the baby blood in Hillary’s basement. Biden we see on tv is Obama.
The absolute greatest day of @gothuevos
life will be when republicans take over everything and dominate him.
 
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Moonbeam

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Read the article I linked recently.
If you were open to a dialog with me on this issue, I would want to suggest thinking about a couple of things I believe to be relevant. First off, before even considering reading your link I have to tell you I look for several things, one where the link is published, what that web site might have as it's motivation for publishing and if the linked material tries to stimulate any conscious or unconscious feelings I might have leading me to feel some sort of compulsion to read on. Does the link stimulate any core fears I might have. What is the attraction for me. What attitude, political, philosophical, moral, etc. might it reinforce that I may harbor unconscious doubts about etc. What is my motivation.

Next, I might want to ask myself what I know about the insanity of fear. How did we get it, how does it work, does it depend on a lack of self awareness to exist and if so how can I grow in my understanding. This is where I am on this:

Fear is the mind killer. Fear may lead to paralysis of all emotional feeling, a way to suppress giving away your location by suddenly running. It prepares you for flight or fight by flooding you with adrenaline. It is kicked off by sensing some environmental alarm that may be genetic or learned. But with humans sadly, we have the capacity to terrify ourselves by vividly imagining a disaster that isn't present, that thought projects happening in the future.

Look at children. They are in the same political danger as you are but they don't give a shit or worry about it because they are not imagining it. They are too busy living in the moment having fun. Only a real danger that appears in their present will make them feel fear while you can sit inside Fort Knox and feel fearful all day. That's because the scenario you are living through is happening only in your head. This is why enlightened people do not feel fear like you do. They do not think. Thought is what creates time, the past and the future. There is only the now. Relax and be happy.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Read the article I linked recently.
Does the author of the article have a crystal ball? Do they have some mythical way of know what is going to happen over the next 7 months? Unless the answer is yes, the article doesn't change what I said.

Seriously, an article that is designed to feed off of your own bias and mental short comings is proof of nothing.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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With all due respect, I don't think you have the stomach for that. Most of us don't.
To put something in perspective, most of the things Republicans are trying to 'roll back' are things various groups have been bleeding for, for decades or centuries. A brief gap of freedom isn't enough to soften people.
 
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Ajay

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To put something in perspective, most of the things Republicans are trying to 'roll back' are things various groups have been bleeding for, for decades or centuries. A brief gap of freedom isn't enough to soften people.
Well, they rolled back most of the stuff from TDR, now they want to kill popular programs (and necessary, IMHO) from FDR and FF. I don't understand this aspect of the GOP (especially since Reagan). Bootstraps, something, something.
 

fskimospy

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Well, they rolled back most of the stuff from TDR, now they want to kill popular programs (and necessary, IMHO) from FDR and FF. I don't understand this aspect of the GOP (especially since Reagan). Bootstraps, something, something.
In order to make fiscal headroom to cut taxes for rich people you need to decrease government expenditures on everyone else.
 

K1052

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In order to make fiscal headroom to cut taxes for rich people you need to decrease government expenditures on everyone else.

When cuts can't be obtained the fall back is just to bald face lie that they don't cost anything and watch as the debt from them piles up which is then blamed on Democrats.
 

Indus

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Ajay

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In order to make fiscal headroom to cut taxes for rich people you need to decrease government expenditures on everyone else.
When cuts can't be obtained the fall back is just to bald face lie that they don't cost anything and watch as the debt from them piles up which is then blamed on Democrats.
Thanks. Yeah, debt doesn't matter - except when it's from 'tax and spend democrats'. Such BS.
 

Drach

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Think we have to watch the polls over the money as we know there aren't many swing voters.
There are a ton of never again Trump voters. This will be a fair stomping of this douche bag.
As a billionaire you constantly beg for cash and you treat women like second class citizens you lose.
His own wife can't stand him .
Even my own step mom and father won't vote for him in fuckin Alabama after voting for him twice.
They won't vote for Biden but they have decided that their vote is not worth anything because of the options.
They are religious right people that can't stand this human.
 
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ivwshane

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There are a ton of never again Trump voters. This will be a fair stomping of this douche bag.
As a billionaire you constantly beg for cash and you treat women like second class citizens you lose.
His own wife can't stand him .
Even my own step mom and father won't vote for him in fuckin Alabama after voting for him twice.
They won't vote for Biden but they have decided that their vote is not worth anything because of the options.
They are religious right people that can't stand this human.

It’ll be interesting to see how many loyal magas there are but I suspect this election will have lower turnout while giving Biden an even bigger blowout over last time.
 
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raildogg

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The US can publicly shame Rashida Tlaib but it cannot do the same for politicians who say things much, much worse. Is it because the US is a hypocritical nation on many levels? See for yourself.

From The Intercept:

MICHIGAN REPUBLICAN REP. Tim Walberg recently declared at a town hall that the U.S. “shouldn’t be spending a dime on humanitarian aid,” in Gaza. Instead, he posed, “it should be like Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Get it over quick.”

Members of Congress like Reps. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich.; Ilhan Omar, D-Minn.; and Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., have long been pilloried — and even censured — by their colleagues for speaking out against Israel’s brutal treatment of Palestinians, while the media class has spilled boats-worth of ink on bad-faith interpretations of the progressive Democrats’ statements. Republicans who belittle, or even encourage, Palestinian suffering have typically generated no such equal, let alone proportional, response.

REPUBLICANS’ HUNGER FOR violence began just days after Hamas’s attack against Israel on October 7. “We are in a religious war here, I’m with Israel,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., declared on October 11, in an appearance on Fox News. “Do whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourself. Level the place.” (Graham later said that no amount of civilian casualties in Gaza would prompt him to scrutinize Israel’s conduct.)

Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., echoed Graham’s bloodlust on Fox in mid-October. “As far as I’m concerned, Israel can bounce the rubble in Gaza,” said the senator who famously called for the Trump administration to sic the military on protesters at the height of the George Floyd uprising. “Anything that happens in Gaza is the responsibility of Hamas. Hamas killed women and children in Israel last weekend,” he added. In the months to come, Israel would go on to kill over 25,000 Palestinian women and children

On October 11, Ohio Rep. Max Miller lambasted Tlaib for planting a Palestinian flag outside her congressional office. He refused to recognize Palestine as a state, calling it “a territory that’s about to probably get eviscerated and go away here shortly, as we’re going to turn that into a parking lot.”

A few days later, Miller’s colleague Rep. Brian Mast, R-Fla., took the unusual step of donning the military garb of a foreign country in the halls of the Congress — wearing an Israel Defense Forces uniform he earned while volunteering for the country’s military in 2015. Shortly thereafter, he introduced an amendment that would slow down humanitarian aid to Gaza. “Any assistance should be slowed down — any assistance,” Mast said in a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on the bill. “Because I would challenge anybody in here to point to me, which Palestinian is Hamas, and which one is an innocent civilian? … It should absolutely be every effort made to slow down any perceived assistance that’s going there.”

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In America, you have a Palestinian flag, you are shamed publicly but wearing the military uniform of Israel is allowed.

I understand Republican party is tied to the Christian base largely so blind support for Israel is required (plus lobbying groups). But why did other Democrats not stand up and defend Rashida Tlaib? Ilhan Omar is regularly insulted by so many US politicians and this is perfectly allowed as well.
 

UNCjigga

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I’m a registered independent in a swing state and I’m definitely on the mailing lists for both parties—and yet no poll has ever reached out to me or gotten through to me. I don’t have a home phone—but I assume polling can be done by cell phone now? But I screen all calls from unknown numbers. I’m guessing there are lots of professional 40-something and under folks in urban/suburban areas of swing states who skew lefty and totally get passed over by polls.
 
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