Question 2023 upgrade...

[BoomerD]

It's probably more of the W7 being MBR and not UEFI/GPT.

It's a quick conversion if you slap it in the old system.

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Then the issue becomes boot selections if neither Windows knew about the other it won't really dual boot unless you tinker with things like running a Linux boot USB and then use grub to enable dual boot as an option. Going this route though might involve more advanced options you might not be able to stomach if you're not familiar with how it works in Linux.

Man...that sounds like Chinese to me...

I had a dual boot system for a while...back in the 00's. WinXP and Win7. Worked pretty well at the time. I THINK I managed to get out of the drive what I wanted...<knock on wood> Formatting the drive as NTFS now. Once I get that and the restore partition formattedf, I'll use Disk Management to set it at EUFI or wtf ever it needs to be. Doing a FULL format on 250GB via USB is taking forever...but it's working.

 

[Tech Junky]

Formatting 250GB via USB is taking forever...but it's working.

If you use Linux you'll be done quicker than a reboot. Use gparted to wipe the partitions and format as you want.

 

[BoomerD]

If you use Linux you'll be done quicker than a reboot. Use gparted to wipe the partitions and format as you want.

Again with the Chinese. (Linux is like Chinese to me)

 

[BoomerD]

My WD Black 1TB drive worked just fine...until it didn't. I was sitting on the floor, plugged into the new system, sorting and harvesting stuff to keep, (it was in the Windows 7 machine) then I knocked it over and it unplugged. After that...nada. If I plug it in, via SATA or USB, it shows up in "This PC," but as soon as I try to open it...everything just locks up. I might have killed it when I knocked it over. I got the system working...more or less...still a few little details to figure out with the various case connectors...fan switch that connects to the fan control hub doesn't work...but the hub IS plugged into a PWM connection on the board. I haven't checked the BIOS to see how that's configured yet.
Got it all done earlier...one of the fans for the AIO cooler wasn't working. Turns out, it was unplugged somehow. (Arctic Cooling short fan leads) Then, one of the case fans wasn't working. STILL not sure why...but I finally got it going. Once I get all the little things done, I might play with some of the benchmark apps...maybe.
Gawd...this build made me feel like a newbie all over again. Granted, this is the first complete build I've done since...2011, but I've repaired and upgraded numerous PCs since then...for myself and others.
I DO NOT recommend the be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 Rev.2 case...biggest PITA case I've ever worked in...or on. Need to change one little thing...tear half the case apart to get to it. This one of the few times when having big "manly-man" hands is a drawback...

 

[In2Photos]

My WD Black 1TB drive worked just fine...until it didn't. I was sitting on the floor, plugged into the new system, sorting and harvesting stuff to keep, (it was in the Windows 7 machine) then I knocked it over and it unplugged. After that...nada. If I plug it in, via SATA or USB, it shows up in "This PC," but as soon as I try to open it...everything just locks up. I might have killed it when I knocked it over. I got the system working...more or less...still a few little details to figure out with the various case connectors...fan switch that connects to the fan control hub doesn't work...but the hub IS plugged into a PWM connection on the board. I haven't checked the BIOS to see how that's configured yet.
Got it all done earlier...one of the fans for the AIO cooler wasn't working. Turns out, it was unplugged somehow. (Arctic Cooling short fan leads) Then, one of the case fans wasn't working. STILL not sure why...but I finally got it going. Once I get all the little things done, I might play with some of the benchmark apps...maybe.
Gawd...this build made me feel like a newbie all over again. Granted, this is the first complete build I've done since...2011, but I've repaired and upgraded numerous PCs since then...for myself and others.
I DO NOT recommend the be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 Rev.2 case...biggest PITA case I've ever worked in...or on. Need to change one little thing...tear half the case apart to get to it. This one of the few times when having big "manly-man" hands is a drawback...

Oh man that stinks! You probably damaged the head when the HDD got knocked over. Is it under warranty perhaps or too old?

According to the manual if the slider switch on the hub is set to "O' it will operate via the PWM header. Otherwise if it is set to "J" it will work in manual mode via the fan stepper switch on the case. Do you just have the 5 fans? And they are all plugged into the fan hub? Are they all the same fan (I'm guessing 3 are the Silent Wings that came with the case and the other 2 are the Artic that came with the AIO)? Sometimes when mixing fans and controlling via PWM you might not be sending enough voltage to get the fan started. You can increase the minimum fan speed on the fan curve in the BIOS. Sorry the case is being difficult. That can take the fun out of a new build.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It's interesting that BoomerD inadvertently selected a difficult case and QueBert purposely selected a different difficult one. I guess some people here are prone to challenging themselves.

 

[BoomerD]

Oh man that stinks! You probably damaged the head when the HDD got knocked over. Is it under warranty perhaps or too old?

According to the manual if the slider switch on the hub is set to "O' it will operate via the PWM header. Otherwise if it is set to "J" it will work in manual mode via the fan stepper switch on the case. Do you just have the 5 fans? And they are all plugged into the fan hub? Are they all the same fan (I'm guessing 3 are the Silent Wings that came with the case and the other 2 are the Artic that came with the AIO)? Sometimes when mixing fans and controlling via PWM you might not be sending enough voltage to get the fan started. You can increase the minimum fan speed on the fan curve in the BIOS. Sorry the case is being difficult. That can take the fun out of a new build.

Yeah, the drive is about 10 years old...probably toast. I can feel the platters spinning up, but no workie.
The case has the 3 Silent Wings 3 140mm fans, all connected to the fan hub. The Arctic pump/fans are connected to the fan/pump header, the case fan hub is connected to...a different 4 pin header. I'll get this figured out...sooner or later.

It's interesting that BoomerD inadvertently selected a difficult case and QueBert purposely selected a different difficult one. I guess some people here are prone to challenging themselves.

I watched a couple of videos on the case before I got it. Sure looked easy enough...

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yeah, the drive is about 10 years old

Sad demise. Hope the data was backed up!

 

[In2Photos]

Yeah, the drive is about 10 years old...probably toast. I can feel the platters spinning up, but no workie.
The case has the 3 Silent Wings 3 140mm fans, all connected to the fan hub. The Arctic pump/fans are connected to the fan/pump header, the case fan hub is connected to...a different 4 pin header. I'll get this figured out...sooner or later.

That sounds reasonable. You should be able to configure separate fan profiles for each output then. You can use the BIOS or software to control them. I believe MSI control has the ability. There is also a Fan Control, an open source software that allows more flexibility if you need it, like being able to control the fans based on GPU temps instead of CPU temps or a combination of the two. https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases

 

[BoomerD]

That sounds reasonable. You should be able to configure separate fan profiles for each output then. You can use the BIOS or software to control them. I believe MSI control has the ability. There is also a Fan Control, an open source software that allows more flexibility if you need it, like being able to control the fans based on GPU temps instead of CPU temps or a combination of the two. https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases

I'd have to plug the fans directly into the motherboard for the MSI BIOS to control the fans. They don't even register in the BIOS.

 

[In2Photos]

I'd have to plug the fans directly into the motherboard for the MSI BIOS to control the fans. They don't even register in the BIOS.

OK, let's try this again. AIO pump goes to PUMP_FAN1 header on motherboard, correct? The AIO fans go to CPU_FAN1 header on the motherboard, correct? You said that the fan hub (case hub) was connected to a header and the AIO fans were connected to a different header, correct?

Case fans, 3 Silent Wings, plugged into the case fan hub(Port B in the diagram), correct? There is a PWM connector on the hub (A in the diagram) that connects to the motherboard (Sys_Fan6 header pictured above).



Both sets of fans should then be visible in the BIOS.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I get confused and scared whenever I see these bare pin connectors. Are they polarity agnostic? I don't want to fry something if I plug the connector in reverse.

 

[In2Photos]

I get confused and scared whenever I see these bare pin connectors. Are they polarity agnostic? I don't want to fry something if I plug the connector in reverse.

The plug end of the fan is keyed, so you would have to really force it to install it incorrectly.

 

[BoomerD]

The plug end of the fan is keyed, so you would have to really force it to install it incorrectly.

He's right in that those bare pins are powered as long as the hub is connected to the motherboard...it REALLY SHOULD have something like an acrylic cover...

 

[BoomerD]

OK, let's try this again. AIO pump goes to PUMP_FAN1 header on motherboard, correct? The AIO fans go to CPU_FAN1 header on the motherboard, correct? You said that the fan hub (case hub) was connected to a header and the AIO fans were connected to a different header, correct?
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Case fans, 3 Silent Wings, plugged into the case fan hub(Port B in the diagram), correct? There is a PWM connector on the hub (A in the diagram) that connects to the motherboard (Sys_Fan6 header pictured above).

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Both sets of fans should then be visible in the BIOS.

Arctic Cooling does things a bit different. The AIO fans connect to a cable that's under the coolant tube sleeving, then one connector to the motherboard for pump and fans.

Here's what I get in the BIOS:

Wait ..what do those "buttons" do?

Ah...that's better.

 

[In2Photos]

He's right in that those bare pins are powered as long as the hub is connected to the motherboard...it REALLY SHOULD have something like an acrylic cover...

PCs have been this way since they first existed. If this were problematic I'm sure they would have changed things.

Arctic Cooling does things a bit different. The AIO fans connect to a cable that's under the coolant tube sleeving, then one connector to the motherboard for pump and fans.

Here's what I get in the BIOS:

Wait ..what do those "buttons" do?

Ah...that's better.

OK, so you just have one connector for the AIO. That just means that the pump and AIO fans will all adjust together. So the case fan hub is connected to SYS_FAN3? That doesn't look like what I'd expect from a PWM connection. Click on the cog button and see how it is set up.

 

[BoomerD]

PCs have been this way since they first existed. If this were problematic I'm sure they would have changed things.

OK, so you just have one connector for the AIO. That just means that the pump and AIO fans will all adjust together. So the case fan hub is connected to SYS_FAN3? That doesn't look like what I'd expect from a PWM connection. Click on the cog button and see how it is set up.

Apparently, the motheboard only registers the AIO pump speed since the fans and pump are daisy chained. (not this pic)

 

[In2Photos]

That looks better. The curve seems a little aggressive. If the fans are a little loud you could always pull those dots down some. Don't be afraid to play around to suit your needs. I typically set mine up more like this one to keep noise down.

 

[BoomerD]

That looks better. The curve seems a little aggressive. If the fans are a little loud you could always pull those dots down some. Don't be afraid to play around to suit your needs. I typically set mine up more like this one to keep noise down.


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Yeah, I haven't messed with that yet. The Silent Wings 3 fans are much quieter than the Arctic Cooling ones. Surprising to me.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The Silent Wings 3 fans are much quieter than the Arctic Cooling ones. Surprising to me.

Arctic sounds windy to me. Silent, is well, you know

 

[BoomerD]

Arctic sounds windy to me. Silent, is well, you know

The Arctic fans are advertised as being 0.3 sones...or a bit over 10 db...but I think they're quite a bit louder than that.

 

[BoomerD]

So far, I'm kind of disappointed in the Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer II 280mm AIO. Seems like it SHOULD do a better job than this:

Surfing various websites...including <gasp> Facebook...and running a Windows Defender scan in the background. (keeps picking up a warning from something in one of the old drives I had connected...but is no longer.)

 

[In2Photos]

1.3887V @ that load? Yikes! But I don't think those temps look bad.

 

[VirtualLarry]

But I don't think those temps look bad.

Me neither.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yeah. I think BoomerD is expecting the Arctic cooling to give him Arctic temperatures

But seriously, experiment with undervolting a bit. I think your performance and temps could both improve nicely.