2019 dem primary debates

[woolfe9998]

We can use this thread to discuss the dem primary debates, which are tonight at 9:00 PM EST and tomorrow night I believe at the same time.

Night 1: Bill de Blasio, Tim Ryan, Julián Castro, Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Beto O’Rourke, Amy Klobuchar, Tulsi Gabbard, Jay Inslee, and John Delaney.

Night 2: Marianne Williamson, John Hickenlooper, Andrew Yang, Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Michael Bennet, and Eric Swalwell.

I guess night 2 is the more important with Biden, Sanders and Buttigieg, but Warren is going tonight. I don't usually watch primary debates but I'm going to watch both nights of these. I think everyone should watch them this year. Who the dems nominate this time is critical.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Bets on who gets pissy from the party not giving them enough talking time?

Day 1 looks like a snooze-fest. Day 2 I might watch.

 

[dank69]

If someone doesn't blast Booker for his vote against Bernie's pharma bill I will be disappoint.

 

[KMFJD]

night two will be Biden bashing time, a gang bang of sorts

 

[woolfe9998]

Currently my leanings are 1. Buttigieg, 2. Klobuchar and 3. Warren. Those are subject to change especially based on debate performance.

Warren has moved up my list because I like her specificity on policy. But I'm concerned that wonkishness won't sell to the general public. My question with her is does she have the superficial appeal to be go the distance in the general election. That's what I'll be looking for tonight in regard to Warren.

 

[Moonbeam]

What I will be looking for is to see if the candidates express what they will bring to the table if nominated rather than how some other candidate would be inferior to them. Evert negative spoken by the losers against the winner will be used by Trump to get elected. I will be watching for somebody who places morality above personal ambition. We already have a leader who thinks he is a gift from God and we know whose gift he really is.

So, will it be a circular firing squad in which all participate?

I will also be watching to see who offers what to the white working-class abandoned, who turned conservative when the delusions they use to imagine gave them dignity as people seemed to evaporate when democrats worked to share them with the rest of the American people.

 

[UNCjigga]

My predictions:

De Blasio is ignored/does poorly and drops out in a few weeks when his polling drops like a rock.

Nobody remembers Tim Ryan, Jay Inslee or John Delaney

Julian Castro seems sensible, gets in a few great sound bites, followed by 48 hours of media gushing about his surprise showing...and then everyone forgets about him again by next week.

Cory Booker says “racist” +/- 10 times

Beto O’Rourke focuses on immigration and treatment of migrants, is moved to tears at least once, and is rewarded for it by press/polling

Tulsi Gabbard tries hard, and fails, to get in a good response to a foreign policy question

Klobuchar and Warren own the night, and spar at least once on policy issues and we leave the night with a clear contrast between two of the leading women.

Twice as many people tune in tomorrow vs. today.

 

[Moonbeam]

Currently my leanings are 1. Buttigieg, 2. Klobuchar and 3. Warren. Those are subject to change especially based on debate performance.

Warren has moved up my list because I like her specificity on policy. But I'm concerned that wonkishness won't sell to the general public. My question with her is does she have the superficial appeal to be go the distance in the general election. That's what I'll be looking for tonight in regard to Warren.

A vote for the three you list, not too familiar with Kolbuchar though really, are, I suspect, votes for the progressive wing of the party. In other words you are supporting what will be called radical socialism.

In order to win from that direction tou have to get a majority of the people to cast the fear that we are really talking about something radical and dangerous, the dreaded socialism away. This will require that voters be re-educated, deprogrammed, and converted about what socialism is.

But I am very attracted to Democrats who have won in conservative areas by presenting liberal views while avoiding the socialism themed charge more successfully. In other words you can assault fear head on, or you can bleed it away by touting the same themes in ways that feel familiar and less threatening. This will show up in how antagonistic or how sympathetic one will sound to the right. Vinegar or honey.....

 

[dank69]

... Vinegar or honey.....

For "the right" right now, neither of those beat a fresh pile of steaming shit.

 

[hal2kilo]

We can use this thread to discuss the dem primary debates, which are tonight at 9:00 PM EST and tomorrow night I believe at the same time.

Night 1: Bill de Blasio, Tim Ryan, Julián Castro, Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Beto O’Rourke, Amy Klobuchar, Tulsi Gabbard, Jay Inslee, and John Delaney.

Night 2: Marianne Williamson, John Hickenlooper, Andrew Yang, Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Michael Bennet, and Eric Swalwell.

I guess night 2 is the more important with Biden, Sanders and Buttigieg, but Warren is going tonight. I don't usually watch primary debates but I'm going to watch both nights of these. I think everyone should watch them this year. Who the dems nominate this time is critical.

Definately will watch to see Warren. Also, curious if Inslee will get any traction. I like his Climate Change policy, but he's a 1 trick poney with probably prettly low Q numbers. (lacks personality)

 

[balloonshark]

When are the debates?

The initial 2020 Democratic Party candidate debates are actually being split into a two-night affair: the first batch of 10 candidates will air on Wednesday, June 26th, and the second batch will debate on Thursday, June 27th. Both debates are set to run from 9PM ET to 11PM ET.

How do I watch?

NBC is hosting the first debates, and it will be dedicating air time on both of its news channels (MSNBC as well as the main NBC channel) for the debates. It will also air a Spanish-translated broadcast on Telemundo. That means watching it should be pretty easy: if you have an over-the-air antenna, cable, or satellite, simply head over to your local NBC affiliate, and you’ll be good to go.

It’s 2019, and I only watch TV on the internet.

Fortunately, given the importance of democracy, the debates will also be live-streamed for free on the internet (just like the Super Bowl).

There are tons of options here: NBCNews.com, MSNBC.com, and the NBC News app (iOS, Android) will all have the debate for free, as will NBC News’ Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube accounts. In other words, it’s going to be everywhere you look on the internet.

 

[glenn1]

Currently my leanings are 1. Buttigieg, 2. Klobuchar and 3. Warren. Those are subject to change especially based on debate performance. Warren has moved up my list because I like her specificity on policy. But I'm concerned that wonkishness won't sell to the general public.

People have to relate the wonkiness to the actual problems they face. People aren't persuaded by grand theories, they want to know "what's in it for me." Where IMHO Warren struggles is making the personal connection of her mainly abstract concerns to concrete examples for voters. It's great you have a 15-point plan to prevent some progressive boogeyman if the problem isn't one they face. For example, predatory payday lenders might be a problem but for how many middle class voters even do business with the lenders much less rate that as a "top concern"?

Ditto for things like expanding coverage to the unemployed - "who cares, I have insurance through my employer and this does nothing for me. I guess if I lost my job it might help."

Breaking up monopolies - "if it doesn't reduce the price of my cable bill I don't care if I pay Comcast or some other company."

Rinse and repeat. You can have 1,000 plans and it all probably won't matter. That's why I think Buttigieg will take this. He thinks incredibly quickly on his feet and he always seems to be able to express things in a way that makes a connection with people. Here was a great example of how he seems to do this effortlessly.

 

[zinfamous]

Breaking up monopolies - "if it doesn't reduce the price of my cable bill I don't care if I pay Comcast or some other company."

I like this comment on its own, because you don't bother to list any other companies as if it either isn't worth your time, or you can't in the moment think of an obvious competitor...the comment just belies the actual problem, despite what you are saying.

 

[glenn1]

I like this comment on its own, because you don't bother to list any other companies as if it either isn't worth your time, or you can't in the moment think of an obvious competitor...the comment just belies the actual problem, despite what you are saying.

Would you have felt better if I said Rogers cable? Or Cox? Or Frontier? No matter who it is, each area tends to one local government selected monopoly supplier anyway. Whether some other county/city uses a different company makes no difference, nor would whether 1 or 50 companies were in the marketplace. Or non-cable competitors like Dish compete iin the space. Point is that 99% of voters don't care about the abstract principle if their bill doesn't go down.

Ditto when you reframe the discussion to be about the role and scope of government. People won't care that Warren conceptualized the CFPB (yawn). They'll care about stuff that matters to them. Again, I think Mayor Pete can relate to voters better by scaling up his experience with relatable examples like filling potholes and showing he has the intelligence to scale up to national sized problems. Probably easier to transition from that to having spent your life thinking about huge, abstract problems like "consolidation in the banking sector" and being able to scale down to real-life problems faced by voters.

 

[dank69]

Sup? Is nobody watching? Is it starting late? Just got home from golf and showered, about to turn on the TV.

 

[dank69]

According to this:
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/democrati...et-square-173600976--abc-news-topstories.html

Warren and De Blasio are the only two that would abolish insurance for a government run plan. The other 8 should have been shown the door right then and there.

 

[UNCjigga]

10 minutes of DeBlasio, and I have a new understanding for why conservatives hate liberals.

 

[glenn1]

Sup? Is nobody watching? Is it starting late? Just got home from golf and showered, about to turn on the TV.

Don’t think anyone gives much of a shit about the candidates tonight because none of them are winning the nomination. Warren might be someone’s VP choice but that’s a longshot too.

 

[Jaskalas]

We are failing to support the people of the United States. Our people need more. WTF are they doing going on about pouring money into OTHER countries?

 

[ElFenix]

haha

https://twitter.com/x/status/1144059925364125702

 

[dank69]

10 minutes of DeBlasio, and I have a new understanding for why conservatives hate liberals.

What did I miss?

 

[ElFenix]

According to this:
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/democrati...et-square-173600976--abc-news-topstories.html

Warren and De Blasio are the only two that would abolish insurance for a government run plan. The other 8 should have been shown the door right then and there.

there's like 2 countries that have abolished insurance entirely.

 

[vi edit]

Don’t think anyone gives much of a shit about the candidates tonight because none of them are winning the nomination. Warren might be someone’s VP choice but that’s a longshot too.

Don't really disagree. Booker has a pulse. Inslee is try harding. Delaney is just grating. Gabbard actually sounds the most "Presidential" of the bunch when she's on the stump. But she is far too timid to jump into any discussions and sticks to her moderator led questions.

 

[ivwshane]

We are failing to support the people of the United States. Our people need more. WTF are they doing going on about pouring money into OTHER countries?

Your bigotry causes you to be short sighted and unable to recognize how our foreign policy has/is used to stabilize/destabilize regions across the world. When you address the root cause of this migration, the costs become insignificant compared to the costs of dealing with the affects of this migration.

Your bigotry also prevents you from seeing that immigration is and has always been a net positive to this country and is one of its greatest strengths.

 

[soulcougher73]

According to this:
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/democrati...et-square-173600976--abc-news-topstories.html

Warren and De Blasio are the only two that would abolish insurance for a government run plan. The other 8 should have been shown the door right then and there.

I don’t think you’d need to abolish insurance if the gov plan was great. People would just choose it and insurance companies would most likely go bankrupt all by themselves.

This way you can say you support the free market, but it’s not your fault they can’t compete with the buying power of a government