2015 mustang GT vs 2011 Gt500

[drbrock]

Saw they had similar performance numbers. Is that normal? Can't believe 4 years went by and the regular mustang has already caught up? Or are the new mustangs just ridiculously amazing?

I like the look of the cobra but for the same price you can get a brand new car and tech. I was seriously looking at the cobra this year but will probably bail on it if I can get a new mustang.

 

[JackBurton]

0-60 is close because the GT500 can't get traction with the standard tires. From a roll, the GT500 walks the new GT.

And the new Mustang ain't that great. Performance wise, the new Camaro SS outperforms it, and it's heavier.

 

[KentState]

Didn't the '11 GT500 "under perform" compared to the newer models? What year did they go to the aluminum block?

 

[LTC8K6]

0-60 is close because the GT500 can't get traction with the standard tires. From a roll, the GT500 walks the new GT.

And the new Mustang ain't that great. Performance wise, the new Camaro SS outperforms it, and it's heavier.

A 2015 SS doesn't outperform a 2015 GT at all. In fact, once they get going, the GT walks away smartly. Reaches 150mph 5 seconds ahead of the SS. The SS is only 74 pounds heavier.

Right after the 1/4 mile mark, the GT begins to leave the SS behind.

http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...ng-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5

 

[JackBurton]

A 2015 SS doesn't outperform a 2015 GT at all. In fact, once they get going, the GT walks away smartly. Reaches 150mph 5 seconds ahead of the SS. The SS is only 74 pounds heavier.

Right after the 1/4 mile mark, the GT begins to leave the SS behind.

http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...ng-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5

I think the SS shows more control on the track compared to the Mustang. The IRS didn't seems to add the control people were expecting. Poor implementation?

Motor Trend

Braking and roadholding are also better on the Camaro.

 

[KentState]

A 2015 SS doesn't outperform a 2015 GT at all. In fact, once they get going, the GT walks away smartly. Reaches 150mph 5 seconds ahead of the SS. The SS is only 74 pounds heavier.

Right after the 1/4 mile mark, the GT begins to leave the SS behind.

http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...ng-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5

SS was better in 1/4, braking, skid pad and slalom. Sounds like it outperforms it in plenty of categories.

 

[LTC8K6]

SS was better in 1/4, braking, skid pad and slalom. Sounds like it outperforms it in plenty of categories.

They are all very close, and likely would swap back and forth in multiple runs and with different testers.

No one could tell any difference without a stopwatch.

They perform pretty much the same, except past the 1/4 mile trap, imo.

 

[foghorn67]

They are all very close, and likely would swap back and forth in multiple runs and with different testers.

No one could tell any difference without a stopwatch.

They perform pretty much the same, except past the 1/4 mile trap, imo.

He's a disgruntled last gen owner. I love Mustangs, but hate the community for the most part because they do this a lot generally speaking. They all whine and grasp at straws.

 

[drbrock]

Didn't the '11 GT500 "under perform" compared to the newer models? What year did they go to the aluminum block?

2011 is the first year they switched to the aluminum block. That is why I was going with that year. Apparently you can do a quick tune and unlock a serious amount of horsepower.

The camaro ss to me doesn't look that good. My admin has a brand new convertible and every time I look at it I see bumblebee.

looking at hers the interior is nicer on the mustang too.

 

[Pulsar]

I think the SS shows more control on the track compared to the Mustang. The IRS didn't seems to add the control people were expecting. Poor implementation?

Motor Trend

Braking and roadholding are also better on the Camaro.

The Camaro comes with better tires. That sums up the braking completely. The Mustang is underdamped. Sounds like it could use stiffer sway bars, higher damping shocks, and stiffer springs. Then you might as well lower it an inch so it has the same CG as the Camero.

Same straight line performance on the road, but the camaro's suspension is better.

 

[KentState]

He's a disgruntled last gen owner. I love Mustangs, but hate the community for the most part because they do this a lot generally speaking. They all whine and grasp at straws.

Who's this he that you speak of?

 

[KentState]

2011 is the first year they switched to the aluminum block. That is why I was going with that year. Apparently you can do a quick tune and unlock a serious amount of horsepower.

The camaro ss to me doesn't look that good. My admin has a brand new convertible and every time I look at it I see bumblebee.

looking at hers the interior is nicer on the mustang too.

I'm not a fan of the Camaro at all. Had a loaner SS and it probably ranks as one of the least desirable cars I've been in. The '14 and earlier Mustang ranks up there for me, but the '15 looks improved.

 

[Kadarin]

0-60 is close because the GT500 can't get traction with the standard tires. From a roll, the GT500 walks the new GT.

Having owned a '12 GT500, I'd agree with this. 550hp, but the rear tires wouldn't get traction at all in either 1st or 2nd gear.

 

[foghorn67]

Who's this he that you speak of?

The Jack dude debating with LTK86.

 

[JackBurton]

The Jack dude debating with LTK86.

lol, oh you were talking about me? How the hell am I a disgruntled Mustang owner. I'm giving you facts, you just don't like them. I was looking forward to the new Mustang. The IRS was supposed it add better control over the previous gen, but hasn't really done much. It should have been lighter or at least kept the same weight. Instead it got fatter and is now only 72-74lbs lighter than the bulkier Camaro. This gen should have brought about some big improvements from Ford, instead it's just a barely noticeable bump, and has allowed GM to catch up to them or in other areas surpass. And I'm specifically comparing the GT, not the lowered end models. I couldn't give two shits about V6 Mustangs or Camaros. And let me be clear, I'm not even a fan of the Camaro. So it's pretty disappointing that the SS is pretty much on par with the GT now. Not to mention the fact that it's $5k more than the previously gen similarly equipped GT.

Would you like me to explain further?

 

[MagickMan]

0-60 is close because the GT500 can't get traction with the standard tires. From a roll, the GT500 walks the new GT.

And the new Mustang ain't that great. Performance wise, the new Camaro SS outperforms it, and it's heavier.

It's unfortunate that the Camaro is so damned ugly, really cringeworthy. Plus there's the terrible visibility. The new Mustang GT is a nice GT car, if you want a racer get a GT350.

 

[JackBurton]

It's unfortunate that the Camaro is so damned ugly, really cringeworthy. Plus there's the terrible visibility. The new Mustang GT is a nice GT car, if you want a racer get a GT350.

I completely agree. The performance numbers look good, I just could never buy one. Not only is it ugly, but GM took ugly up a notch when they changed out the rear lights. Holy Christ!

 

[Kadarin]

I completely agree. The performance numbers look good, I just could never buy one. Not only is it ugly, but GM took ugly up a notch when they changed out the rear lights. Holy Christ!

The interior is pretty hideous too:

It sounds like the Camaro is a decent car to drive on the track, but yeah, I'd never want one.

 

[Insomniator]

The gauge cluster looks like Johnny 5 to me lol.

 

[manimal]

The interior is pretty hideous too:

It sounds like the Camaro is a decent car to drive on the track, but yeah, I'd never want one.

man that interior. Coulda told us it was the silverado interior and we would have believed you

 

[KentState]

The interior is pretty hideous too:

It sounds like the Camaro is a decent car to drive on the track, but yeah, I'd never want one.

It worse in person IMO. For a sporty car, it feels like you are sitting behind a huge dash on an old Cadillac. Nothing that compliments the driver or makes you feel like the car is wrapped around you. Even our SUV feels less awkward and it's not meant to be a driver's car.

 

[leper84]

I think the SS shows more control on the track compared to the Mustang. The IRS didn't seems to add the control people were expecting. Poor implementation?

Motor Trend

Braking and roadholding are also better on the Camaro.

Just to be fair, that comparison is a GT w/ track pack versus a SS with the 1le package, not a normal SS.

I'll give GM credit, the 1le package is much more track oriented than Fords performance package for the GT and it shows in that video by edging out the Mustang. Keep in mind though, you'll pay GM an extra $1400 for that over Ford, you'll have to live with a stiff suspension and stiff clutch on the street every time you drive, as well as live with your car looking like this-

Seems to me Ford focused more on a street friendly performance package, and were embarrassed by GM as a result. It would be nice if they would offer two performance packages for the GT, the current and one with much stiffer shocks and crazy ultra summer rubber to compete with the 1le package; without having to go in to gt350/gt500 msrp territory.

 

[MagickMan]

Ford realizes that 99% of people will never take their Mustang GTs to a track (real enthusiasts have race cars), so for them the back-breaking suspensions and super expensive tires ($650 each) are pointless. On a road, where these cars will live their lives, the Camaro is crap in comparison, and that's far more embarrassing than losing a couple tenths on a hypothetical track that only a few will ever visit.

 

[KentState]

Ford realizes that 99% of people will never take their Mustang GTs to a track (real enthusiasts have race cars), so for them the back-breaking suspensions and super expensive tires ($650 each) are pointless. On a road, where these cars will live their lives, the Camaro is crap in comparison, and that's far more embarrassing than losing a couple tenths on a hypothetical track that only a few will ever visit.

If 99.9% of people don't care about the track, then they won't buy the 1LE option anyways. Both of the cars sell the lower trim levels in-mass anyways where most owners just want a 4 seater coupe.

 

[DistantShadow]

If you have the option to buy either one, I would go with the old gt500 hands down. As the first reply, the gt500 is a monster, and with a quick rear tire change, it would shit on the new GT.

Get the GT500!