2015 looking to be an exciting year.

[Paul98]

Hopefully we will see High Bandwidth Memory(HBM) with AMD 3xx series, finally getting off of 28nm, DX12, big Maxwell.

Then 2016, NVidia will be moving to HBM, and both AMD and NVidia will be using a new node shrink.

After a few years stuck with small boosts, same node, and till only recently high pricing.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I doubt we see 20nm and stacked DRAM tho.

And if you think these prices are high....

 

[Paul98]

I doubt we see 20nm and stacked DRAM tho.

Rumors are saying it will be for AMD, not for NVidia.

And if you think these prices are high....

I suggest you re read what I wrote.

 

[Techhog]

Rumors are saying it will be for AMD, not for NVidia.



I suggest you re read what I wrote.

Shush, he needs to fuel his "end of GPU improvements" narrative. He thinks we have another 3+ years of 28nm ahead, after which dGPUs will no longer be developed.

 

[Mondozei]

I doubt we see 20nm

We keep hearing this line over and over at these forums. There's never any real back-up for this fact. 14/16 nm won't come until 2016 for GPUs. It will come for SoC's next year just like 20 nm came for SoC's ahead of big GPUs this year.

Are NV/AMD going to stay at 28 throughout 2015?

I honestly do not understand how this myth can be repeated over and over again. Is it stupidity? Just a meme that has a self-perpetuating quality?
Whatever it is, there's no excuse for being this intellectually lazy.

 

[ShintaiDK]

We keep hearing this line over and over at these forums. There's never any real back-up for this fact. 14/16 nm won't come until 2016 for GPUs. It will come for SoC's next year just like 20 nm came for SoC's ahead of big GPUs this year.

Are NV/AMD going to stay at 28 throughout 2015?

I honestly do not understand how this myth can be repeated over and over again. Is it stupidity? Just a meme that has a self-perpetuating quality?
Whatever it is, there's no excuse for being this intellectually lazy.

You mean the no cost saving, double the design cost, no GPU tapeouts. And both companies just releasing new GPUs uarchs based on 28nm.

Feel free to prove otherwise.

 

[Techhog]

You mean the no cost saving, double the design cost, no GPU tapeouts. And both companies just releasing new GPUs uarchs based on 28nm.

Feel free to prove otherwise.

Which explains why they're waiting until next year instead of doing it this year.

Also, AMD can't compete if they don't switch to 20nm. They don't really have a choice unless they want to drop out of the market.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Which explains why they're waiting until next year instead of doing it this year.

Also, AMD can't compete if they don't switch to 20nm. They don't really have a choice unless they want to drop out of the market.

20nm is not going to do anything for AMD in that regard. Because nVidia have access to the exact same process. So the processnode as such is irrelevant between the GPU makers.

AMD can only compete by developing a better uarch. And GCN1.2 wasnt that.

 

[Techhog]

20nm is not going to do anything for AMD in that regard. Because nVidia have access to the exact same process. So the processnode as such is irrelevant between the GPU makers.

AMD can only compete by developing a better uarch. And GCN1.2 wasnt that.

Some rumors point to Nvidia skipping 20nm altogether. At the very least, AMD would get on it first and have a few months on top. It's obvious that they'll never catch up to Nvidia in terms of uarch

 

[Paul98]

Some rumors point to Nvidia skipping 20nm altogether. At the very least, AMD would get on it first and have a few months on top. It's obvious that they'll never catch up to Nvidia in terms of uarch

LOL that's funny

 

[Black Octagon]

Hopefully we will see High Bandwidth Memory(HBM) with AMD 3xx series, finally getting off of 28nm, DX12, big Maxwell.



Then 2016, NVidia will be moving to HBM, and both AMD and NVidia will be using a new node shrink.



After a few years stuck with small boosts, same node, and till only recently high pricing.

I also look forward to Freesync, and the possible combination of G-Sync (or Freesync) with blur reduction technologies like ULMB

Hmm, what else? Oh yeah, G-Sync on an IPS panel

And those crazy rumours about 5k are free to come true too

 

[Paul98]

I also look forward to Freesync, and the possible combination of G-Sync (or Freesync) with blur reduction technologies like ULMB

Hmm, what else? Oh yeah, G-Sync on an IPS panel

And those crazy rumours about 5k are free to come true too

oooo yeah don't know how I forgot to mention that. Should see much more with 4k, and FS,GS making lower frame rates reasonable.

 

[Techhog]

LOL that's funny

AMD can't leapfrog Nvidia at this point. GCN 1.3/2.0 will match Kepler, and whatever comes after that will match Maxwell... after Pascal is already on the market.

 

[Paul98]

AMD can't leapfrog Nvidia at this point. GCN 1.3/2.0 will match Kepler, and whatever comes after that will match Maxwell... after Pascal is already on the market.

LOL

 

[Techhog]

LOL

It's true. AMD doesn't have enough talent or money. Watch, 20nm GCN 1.3/2.0 will only manage to come close to 28nm Maxwell in efficiency.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

AMD can't leapfrog Nvidia at this point. GCN 1.3/2.0 will match Kepler, and whatever comes after that will match Maxwell... after Pascal is already on the market.

What actually is holding AMD back? What's keeping them from doing what Intel did back in 2006 (dropping NetBurst) or ATI in 2002 (R300)?

No R&D budget? Would be refreshing to see them start from scratch and bring some actual innovation to the market again.

 

[Paul98]

It's true. AMD doesn't have enough talent or money.

LMAO

 

[Paul98]

It is nice to see monitors finally really progressing again after the switch to flat panels cut the resolution and refresh rate for quite a while.

 

[Techhog]

What actually is holding AMD back? What's keeping them from doing what Intel did back in 2006 (dropping NetBurst) or ATI in 2002 (R300)?

No R&D budget? Would be refreshing to see them start from scratch and bring some actual innovation to the market again.

AMD is in terrible shape financially right now

 

[toyota]

LMAO

you sure do laugh a lot yet have nothing to refute anything he is saying.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

AMD is in terrible shape financially right now

So it's a matter of an R&D budget then?

Just funnel all that console money into a new architecture, from the ground up.

 

[Paul98]

you sure do laugh a lot yet have nothing to refute anything he is saying.

There's no point, no matter what i say he will ignore and argue more BS. I don't bother anymore

I was hoping to have a conversation about all the good new tech that's going to be out next year.

 

[alcoholbob]

I am excited as well.

Finally there will be a single GPU that can run Crysis 3 at 4K Ultra (no AA) at 30fps. That'll be impressive.

 

[Kenmitch]

Dang. Thought there would possibly be some interesting news in here.

Only thing I see is the usual NVidia cheer leaders crapping on AMD....Think they'd get tired of it.

What actually is holding AMD back? What's keeping them from doing what Intel did back in 2006 (dropping NetBurst) or ATI in 2002 (R300)?

No R&D budget? Would be refreshing to see them start from scratch and bring some actual innovation to the market again.

28nm most likely.

 

[Subyman]

I think the 2012/2013 AMD layoffs have hurt R&D and that is apparent now. AMD maxed out their arch with the 290/290X as can be seen by the absurd power usage. Same thing happened with their FX line, rapped it out until they could no longer compete with Intel. Look where FX is now.