(2014 NECRO) New (massive) Study: Vaccines not associated with autism.

[zinfamous]

Just dropping this here...

http://www.utswmedicine.org/stories/articles/year-2015/assets/birth-rates-full.jpg
http://blogs.nature.com/news/files/Autism rate table.jpg

Chances of autism go up as mothers are older. Nothing fancy or catchy about it. Just simple stats that women really shouldn't be having kids into their late 30's and 40's. Lots of statistics start working against you.

I haven't looked into it directly, but it seems to me that IVF, which you will both find more predominantly in older mothers, as well as mothers/fathers with various other conception issues has a significant role. I think it was ~1971-73 when IVF became valid?

Since then, I think it is something like 10-20 million babies born through IVF; A population that would have been "selected against" genetically if not for technology. It is also the mid-late 80s, right? when the diagnosis became more refined and the instances of autism skyrocketed.

This isn't an issue of technique (PMSG/HGS injections or whatever), merely a conceptual argument that you are now "creating" a population of individuals that, for various reasons, were not generally biologically viable. I actually looked into this briefly ~year ago due to curiosity, but I only found studies testing the technique of IVF and found no links. But nothing seemed to address the genetic toll potentially being placed on the population.

Of course, all of these advances have allowed for greater instances of AMA (Advanced Maternal Age), so either it's simply due to age or a part of that mixed with transcending previous barriers to fertility, we are essentially creating a significant population of humans that would have not previously existed due to natural selection.

 

[vi edit]

"I think that 1+1=3" That statement doesn't qualify as an "alternative viewpoint" - that statement qualifies as an incorrect statement.

Out of curiosity, I haven't looked at all the research - could autism be caused by some yet to be discovered STD? Seems that as you get older, the number of sexual partners has also increased.

Who knows if there is some latent thing from HPV or some other lingering disease we haven't identified yet. That could very well be the case.

Personally (and I have zero empirical stats behind me) I don't think that is what is going on. I just really think that as women get older the ability to carry a baby to term without risk just really goes up. Blood flow, hormones, ect all start to change from when they were younger and it might be enough to make enough difference in brain development. Plus there's the whole issue of original genetic material (egg & sperm) degrading over time. If the woman is 40, there's a *REALLY* good chance the male is the same age or older. Research points to our swimmers beginning to go wonky once we crack 40 too.

 

[IGBT]

I suppose that might be possible. But its been made pretty darn clear the flu vaccine does NOT mess up babies.

SSRI's also degrade sperm: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/704701


...said senior author Peter Schlegel, MD, chair of the department of urology and professor of reproductive medicine at Weill Cornell Medical Center, in New York City. "What the study tells us is that paroxetine could have an effect on fertility that will not show up in standard sperm tests — and cause an increase in genetic damage to sperm," he said.



http://www.rightinginjustice.com/news/2011/08/16/paxil-may-damage-sperm-impair-fertility-in-men/


Paxil is in a class of medications known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. The drugs are used to treat depression, anxiety, and various personality disorders. Paxil was recently reclassified as a Category D medication, meaning that there is positive evidence of birth defects when used during pregnancy, but may be acceptable if the drug is needed in a life-threatening situation or for a serious disease where safer drugs cannot be used or are ineffective.


Paxil was recently reclassified as a Category D medication, meaning that there is positive evidence of birth defects when used during pregnancy,

 

[mikeymikec]

A real "Who's who" of "doctors." You'd think they would have some experts and knowledgeable people in the youtube video, right? Let's see:

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Talk about the slimiest group of "experts" that could be rounded up and interviewed.

So Dude111 introduced the video correctly then?:

Doctors admit they know squat about vaccines...

 

[Dude111]

Thank you for your kind words

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump has expressed a belief in this, he's mentioned it in interviews.

That is he thinks there may be a link to autism & vaccines.

 

[thraashman]

Trump has expressed a belief in this, he's mentioned it in interviews.

That is he thinks there may be a link to autism & vaccines.

I'm pretty sure he said it in one of the debates

 

[soundforbjt]

I'm pretty sure he said it in one of the debates

You may be right, I'm surprised by the amount of conspiracy theories he believes and that his supporters ignore.