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Kaido

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I enjoyed reading your thinkings on the cars. Have you tried a 2014 Fiesta though? They've changed up some of the dynamics from the 11-13 models. Also, Focus? Focus HB actually leases about 10/m cheaper than the Fiesta because of higher residuals.

That reminds me, the other one I'm rolling around as an option is the 2013 Honda Fit. My wife really misses her Fit. It only gets 33 MPG, but the leasing deals are pretty nice right now:

http://automobiles.honda.com/current-offers-detail.aspx?ModelName=Fit

1. $0 down, $0 deposit, $0 return fee, $0 first month payment - $200 a month for 35 months

2. $2,000 down, $149 a month (my trade-in is about $2,700, so that'd take care of the down payment & then some)

It is also a Top Safety Pick for 2013, which makes me more comfortable, and it'd make my wife happy. I'd be stuck driving the (boring) Civic, but it also gets 40 MPG highway, so that'd double my Volvo's MPG instantly.
 

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I'm looking at a 2014 Fiesta SE (the fit and finish is hands down best in its class, and reviewers say so) and the 6spd powershift automatic is butter smooth (plus if you want to save 1095$, the 5 spd manual is rated as one of the best clutches in class and many dealers order tons of these because of their popularity).

Ah, I figured out how to navigate the Ford website:

1. Go to build a Fiesta
2. Choose hatch or sedan
3. Select the SE model
4. Select the 5-speed manual transmission
5. Go to "Exterior Items" and select "SE Manual EcoBoost Package for $995 ($14/month)

So it has to be a stick-shift SE model and the SFE option is oddly under the Exterior options tab. It strips out a lot of stuff (like rims) though. 45 MPG is nice. If they have the 1.0L available locally, I'll take one out. I checked it out before we got our Civic last year, but it was too small:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35664880&postcount=11

But, my wife is also shuffling our toddler & his gear around all day in her Civic, whereas my car will mostly be for commuting, so I have a lot more flexibility in the requirements. I think I've narrowed it down to 3 options:

1. Soul (favorite)
2. Fiesta SFE (MPG king)
3. Honda Fit (wife would take that)

The Mini Cooper is probably a bit too small, so it's more of a fun idea than anything. There's also some great deals on last year's Kia SUV's, they have some really aggressive pricing on those as well, which would be nice for toting the kiddo around in.

And despite the design changes, I still really like the look & feel of the new Kia Soul. It's a really good fit for me all around, but long-term, I'm sure I'd also appreciate the 45 MPG of the Fiesta SFE. Plus they have it in a hatchback, and I love me some hatches :awe:
 

Kaido

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I enjoyed reading your thinkings on the cars. Have you tried a 2014 Fiesta though? They've changed up some of the dynamics from the 11-13 models. Also, Focus? Focus HB actually leases about 10/m cheaper than the Fiesta because of higher residuals.

Got a call back from Ford today. No 1.0L Fiestas in my area. No ETA. Maybe I'll check out a 1.6L and see if I like it; the 45 MPG is really appealing and the driving experiencing shouldn't be too horribly different.

Edit: Also forgot that the 2014 Mazda 3's were out. 40 MPG + fun-to-drive = I should check it out!
 
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Got a call back from Ford today. No 1.0L Fiestas in my area. No ETA. Maybe I'll check out a 1.6L and see if I like it; the 45 MPG is really appealing and the driving experiencing shouldn't be too horribly different.

Edit: Also forgot that the 2014 Mazda 3's were out. 40 MPG + fun-to-drive = I should check it out!

I found a few via Auto Trader but man the prices are pretty high, so much so that I don't think it's worth the 1,000$ vs the supposed 5mpg. It looks like real world SFE Fiesta HB's are going for about 18.9, which is getting to very high equipped SE or base titanium prices. Still, the torque that the car puts down low I hear is very nice in the city, if only thrown off by the fact driving stick in the city all day is a nuisance. The 1.6L definitely has to be wound up a little to move from light to light, and at the same time to DCT likes to be driven that way. The DCT needs to be driven like a manual, with firm, not feathered, accelerations so that it firmly hits the shifts. I just love how spirited the little car really does drive.

I looked at the 2014 Mazda 3 HB, and it's so so smexy. But a Mazda 3 HB touring is way over the price that I want to pay for a second car (city commuter), and it's compounded by the fact Mazda's have crappy residuals.
 

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I found a few via Auto Trader but man the prices are pretty high, so much so that I don't think it's worth the 1,000$ vs the supposed 5mpg. It looks like real world SFE Fiesta HB's are going for about 18.9, which is getting to very high equipped SE or base titanium prices. Still, the torque that the car puts down low I hear is very nice in the city, if only thrown off by the fact driving stick in the city all day is a nuisance. The 1.6L definitely has to be wound up a little to move from light to light, and at the same time to DCT likes to be driven that way. The DCT needs to be driven like a manual, with firm, not feathered, accelerations so that it firmly hits the shifts. I just love how spirited the little car really does drive.

I looked at the 2014 Mazda 3 HB, and it's so so smexy. But a Mazda 3 HB touring is way over the price that I want to pay for a second car (city commuter), and it's compounded by the fact Mazda's have crappy residuals.

Yeah and I'd be leaning towards buying this car instead of leasing. It'd be something I'd keep for at least 5 or 6 years. The Mazda does sound nice though - 40 MPG + enjoyable to drive + not cramped. Never had a Mazda. But I really love the Soul, and it'd be pretty dang cheap OTD with my trade-in, and 30 MPG isn't bad. Decisions, decisions. Fortunately I'm in no rush. If a dealer throws me a bone and gives me a high trade-in on my existing car, I may have to bite though. I'd have for something to bork in my Volvo & render it useless ;)
 

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Yeah and I'd be leaning towards buying this car instead of leasing. It'd be something I'd keep for at least 5 or 6 years. The Mazda does sound nice though - 40 MPG + enjoyable to drive + not cramped. Never had a Mazda. But I really love the Soul, and it'd be pretty dang cheap OTD with my trade-in, and 30 MPG isn't bad. Decisions, decisions. Fortunately I'm in no rush. If a dealer throws me a bone and gives me a high trade-in on my existing car, I may have to bite though. I'd have for something to bork in my Volvo & render it useless ;)

Oh well if you're buying that makes your decision alot different than mine. If I was buying I'd probably be picking up a new Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4x4 :). But I have a functioning truck for snow days so I just want a city commuter for the 10 months out of the year it's fine. We're going to have a big move in the next 2 years, and I don't know if that will be to a location with more country (that I love), or deeper into an urban center (which I also love). So I don't want this car to be permanent, as a 4cyl low slung car is useless out on rural roads when it snows. I'm one of the few that can actually get out and about today because I'm not handing my underbelly on snow drifts.
 

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Oh well if you're buying that makes your decision alot different than mine. If I was buying I'd probably be picking up a new Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4x4 :). But I have a functioning truck for snow days so I just want a city commuter for the 10 months out of the year it's fine. We're going to have a big move in the next 2 years, and I don't know if that will be to a location with more country (that I love), or deeper into an urban center (which I also love). So I don't want this car to be permanent, as a 4cyl low slung car is useless out on rural roads when it snows. I'm one of the few that can actually get out and about today because I'm not handing my underbelly on snow drifts.

I ended up purchasing the Soul today. Couldn't help myself :wub:

I'll do a more detailed review in a week or two, once I get it figured out. They were able to hit the number I wanted, so I got it at a fair price. Not a steal, unfortunately, but it was the base model - I didn't have much luck with wiggle room on the base models at other dealerships either (checked out a Versa sedan etc.). Plus it was the model I wanted (dark green stick-shift) and I've been lusting after them since last year, so I'm a pretty happy man today haha! Just a laundry list of thoughts....

I thought about leasing, but I want to do some mods and wanted something I could keep for awhile (planning on 5 years minimum right now), so I ended up buying it instead. First new car I've ever purchased in my life! Went really smoothly, was in & out really quickly. Piece of cake. Almost reminds me of the old Saturn dealerships - they just make it easy. Some of the other dealerships I went to were crazy high pressure and just really not a good experience.

It's a 6-speed. Takes some getting used to. Reverse is up on the collar and left-forward instead of traditional right-rear - I keep shifting into 6th gear to go into reverse lol. First gear is geared low, likes no more than 20 MPH, although you can do 30 if you push it up to 6 or 7k RPM, but it whines. I haven't found all the best shift points yet. It likes 3k RPM+ for power, so there's almost a turbo-like lag when starting each new gear before it zooms.

It's a somewhat wussy engine, but if you learn the tricks, then it's fine. First gear likes 20 MPH max. Second gear kind of has 3 power bands, so that's where you want to do all of your accelerating. Third gear has regular car power, if you're in the right speed zone. Fourth, fifth, and sixth are useless. Fourth is okay for passing someone on the highway, but it's only a slight step up from a Prius. Fifth is for when you have plenty of time to plan to pass someone, lol. Sixth is absolutely useless, I think it's just there for decoration haha. Zero power of any sort.

It starts getting some weird thrumming in the floor above 70 MPH or so. Has no guts as you get up near 80. My Volvo loved 60+ MPH because of the turbo, it could pass faster at that speed than it could starting from a stop! But I'm also getting +10 MPG on the Soul, so...tradeoffs. Car is super quiet. Engine noise is nice. Smooth at freeway speeds. Definitely need to learn what gears work best on the highway so you don't turn into mush; just drop it a gear lower than you think you will need to get the power you want.

Hill Start Assist is a wicked cool feature. It will hold you from a stop for 3 or 4 seconds on a hill, so you don't roll backwards. Almost like cheating when driving stick-shift! If you accelerate during that time, it will let you accelerate just enough and then release the brake so you can lurch up. My area is fairly hilly and I tested it on some extremely steep hills with amazing results. Technology is awesome!

As a base model, it has a weird combination of features. Like, there's no keyless entry, which is really annoying, but it has heated side mirrors. What the heck? lol. I'm not a huge bells & whistles guy, as long as I have a way to plug my iPhone in for audiobooks & podcasts, I'm a pretty happy camper. Stock speakers are right in the decent range, neither terrible nor awesome. Steering wheel controls are great. It downloaded all of my contacts into the car when I synced Bluetooth, very nice!

Feels enormous inside. I went out for a spin with my buddy and sat in the passenger side; I could lift my feet up straight out at an angle, that's how much room is in there! Nice tall ceiling too. The footwell works at a bit of a disadvantage for the driver, since you really have to reach to depress the clutch all the way, but at least there's a dead pedal to relax your foot on. As a result, I have to sit closer to the steering wheel (slide my chair forward) to fully engage the clutch.

LOTS of lights inside. Two map lights, the middle light pod, and a vanity light on each front passenger visor mirror. Sunglasses flip-down storage compartment; clips on each visor, which is a nice touch for parking passes. HUGE lighted glovebox with a neat flush release button. Mine didn't come with a center console (although I think I could still easily shift with one), but there's a couple of roomy cupholders & a very large open junk storage bin behind that. A pair of 12V plugs up front, USB, etc. so you can charge stuff & run your GPS at the same time.

Defogging takes longer than I'd like (much longer), but once it clears it, it clears it. Also, the heater gets HOT! It was 30F today and I had it on vent for the windows and had to turn it down to 1 notch for heat because it was so toasty. I tried direct on full blast and it was like a hair dryer. Very surprised at the amount of heat output! Definitely winter-friendly. Speaking of winter-friendly, in addition to ABS & Traction Control, it also has Electronic Stability Control, which explains why I had such a great experience on the first test drive in the snow & ice. VERY cool feature that actually works! You can turn it off in case you get stuck in heavy snow or whatever.

Came with 16" steel wheels with hubcaps. The hubcaps are not horrifically bad, so that's a plus, and the larger-than-standard 16" wheels feel really good in-town & on the highway. Nothing on Tirerack or other sites for replacement rims yet; I really like the rims on the higher-end model, so I'll keep my eyes pealed in case someone upgrades their stock ones down the road.

The car is effortless to drive. You just stop thinking about it & it does exactly what you want it to do. It feels EXTREMELY roomy inside, not snug at all like the last model, but it's not big on the outside. Should have gotten a blue one and called it the TARDIS haha. You can also switch the steering modes (Comfort, Normal, Sport) on the electric steering, which actually does make a very noticeable difference, despite the reviewers saying it didn't. I live on the edge of some farms with windy, hilly roads - Sport mode steering was wicked fun whipping around curves in the 3-4k RPM range! Very very tight steering on that mode, and very nice & relaxing on the comfort mode (turns into into kind of big & wide turns like a towncar or something). I'll have to play with that some more too.

Overall, very pleased with the purchase. It's a lot of car for the money. I got the one I really wanted. 30 MPG is decent for a box on wheels, and it's got a 10-year, 100k warranty, which is nice. First modification will be adding a spare tire; they give you a tire patch kit in the base, which is super lame. Second modification will be looking into keyless entry; I'll have to find out the details on that, but I may go with a Digital Guard Dog system so I can add the pushbutton start as well. Third mod will probably be to wire in a subwoofer; I'll have to figure out how to replace the cone speakers at some point too. I have some speakers that look about the right size to go in there already (3" fullranges), so let the mods begin! :)
 

Kaido

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Oh, and it's really easy to get inside & out of. Took a few people out for joyrides and that was always the first comment with the older crowd - you just slide right in!
 

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Congrats on your new Kia Soul, but why did you get the base model? If your gonna be driving it for awhile, wouldn't you want some to step up to some of the higher trims/packages?
 

Kaido

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Congrats on your new Kia Soul, but why did you get the base model? If your gonna be driving it for awhile, wouldn't you want some to step up to some of the higher trims/packages?

Yes, but the stick-shift is only available in a stripped-down 1.6L base model. You can't change anything other than the color, unless you want to step up to the automatic. Plus if I had gone with the automatic, I would have wanted the fully-loaded version since I was buying it, so it saved me about $10k haha.

I'm really enjoying it so far :thumbsup:
 

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Yes, but the stick-shift is only available in a stripped-down 1.6L base model. You can't change anything other than the color, unless you want to step up to the automatic. Plus if I had gone with the automatic, I would have wanted the fully-loaded version since I was buying it, so it saved me about $10k haha.

I'm really enjoying it so far :thumbsup:

ic. thanks, glad your liking your new car.
 

Kaido

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ic. thanks, glad your liking your new car.

Yeah it's kind of a bummer that more options aren't offered, especially since the Canadian website lets you trick out the manual model with all kinds of stuff. Fortunately you can add a lot of the goodies aftermarket, but turnkey is kind of nice too, you know?

First order of business is buying a spare tire; they have room for one, but only give you a tire repair kit, what a crock! In my last Soul, I got a flat in an entirely different state in the middle of nowhere, it saved my hide!
 

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2015 Soul to get Turbo, possibly AWD :

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/17/kia-soul-turbo-all-wheel-drive-report/

I just crossed the 10k mile mark on my '14 1.6L 6-speed Soul. My only real gripe is a lack of power. It's really noticeable in the summer when you have your A/C on. If they had sold the stick in the 2.0L, I would have bought it, but they don't (in the states, at least). Would absolutely trade mine in for a turbo. AWD would be cool, but after getting through a horrible winter with Kia's great ESC, I don't feel that it's a must-have item at all - it's easily the best FWD car I've ever driven in the snow.

Kia is apparent retuning the steering, retuning the suspension calibration, and adding on larger brakes. While lack of power is my main gripe in the 1.6L manual, the suspension is my second gripe. The original Soul was horrible stiff, but the benefit was that you could throw it around corners & generally have a lot of fun with it (my previous model was an early 2.0L auto). The 2014 redesign "improved" the suspension by making it softer, which is definitely appreciated on the highway, but it took away that fun driving experience that the original design had. It's the perfect car for me right now - small but roomy - and adding a turbo on it would be like icing on the cake!
 

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Also, the Yellow looks amazing in real life, probably the best color on the car. Previously the metallic avocado was "the" color, but I definitely think the yellow takes the cake on the redesigned model. I am not a big fan of yellow on really anything other than a lambo, but it works!

The bright Skittles green also looks better IRL than in the pictures. Still not my personal taste (I like the darker green, although it's fairly bland for the car's styling), but much better than the manufacturer's pictures make it out to be.

Also in terms of a more detailed review, my post a few posts up pretty much covers it. Great car for the price. 1.6L isn't powerful enough for my tastes. Wish the suspension was either softer or harder, but not in the middle (as it is now). You can order the button & wiring on the base model to add cruise if you want to (around a hundred bucks or so from Kia's part department). I haven't done any mods to mine other than putting a wireless Qi charging pad for my iPhone 5S (Yipin case) in the center console (so I can drop my phone in to charge, stream Bluetooth, etc.).

I do wish mine had a backup camera, but not a huge deal since it's reasonably small & easy to see out of. Very roomy inside - I'm 6'1" and do not feel cramped at all; in fact, I have to move my seat up to be in a comfortable driving position. I can fit 4 adults in the car easily (2 front, 2 back), although you definitely feel the extra weight with the 1.6L engine. That's actually pretty nice if you want to grab your friends & go somewhere - you're not stuck driving a behemoth around, especially if you have to park in a big city.

I am really glad I got the Soul over the Fiesta - I really enjoy the roominess that the Soul offers (although the MPG of the Fiesta 1.0L would have been awesome!). My buddy picked up a Mini Cooper and while it's super fun, it makes me appreciate the extra room in the Soul even more. My parents picked up a newer Nissan Versa (2012 hatchback, not the newest "Note" tho) and the seats are stiff & narrow (the ride is also a bit stiff); it's less comfortable than their old 2008 model was. Also had a friend who picked up a Juke; I feel very cramped in there. Soul is the best for the money imo.
 

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Well having had my Fiesta the same amount of time you've had your soul, I can say that the fiesta is really sporty in feel. The 1.6L has great punch when you rev it up. The 1.6L in the Soul is certainly gutless, especially compared to the weight of the fiesta.

But OMG space. I got the fiesta because my expedition was totaled. I can't haul 4 adults for more than a few miles in this car, it is that insanely cramped back there. Even space for groceries with the back seats up is limited to about 5-6 bags. The car lives with its seats down most of the time. Overall I love the car, but personally I would have been better served by a Soul or Jeep Cherokee or other small SUV. Also the fiesta is absolutely horrible in the snow, like most small cars are. It's not that it can't push through fresh powder, it does that with ease. It's the fact that once the snow is so deep it gets stuck super easy. Had to be pushed out several times last winter (which was particularly bad) and I wasn't used to ever having to be pushed out of anywhere. My job requires me going, even during most city lockdowns. It sucks as the transportation is not nearly as reliable in this case.

As for the AWD turbo soul, I don't think it will work without a drastic increase in quality. Squarely put, Kia is not going to be able to charge that price bracket for a Soul. The Soul exclaim is already salty at 29K for a fully loaded one, unless they are going to try to bracket the AWD ecoboost Escape, which the Soul isn't big enough or refined enough to be.
 

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I guess opinions vary but if I had the $$ to buy a new vehicle I could not get anything that ugly.. I suppose it's got good utilitarian purpose but but it's still a boxmobile..
 

Kaido

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Well having had my Fiesta the same amount of time you've had your soul, I can say that the fiesta is really sporty in feel. The 1.6L has great punch when you rev it up. The 1.6L in the Soul is certainly gutless, especially compared to the weight of the fiesta.

But OMG space. I got the fiesta because my expedition was totaled. I can't haul 4 adults for more than a few miles in this car, it is that insanely cramped back there. Even space for groceries with the back seats up is limited to about 5-6 bags. The car lives with its seats down most of the time. Overall I love the car, but personally I would have been better served by a Soul or Jeep Cherokee or other small SUV. Also the fiesta is absolutely horrible in the snow, like most small cars are. It's not that it can't push through fresh powder, it does that with ease. It's the fact that once the snow is so deep it gets stuck super easy. Had to be pushed out several times last winter (which was particularly bad) and I wasn't used to ever having to be pushed out of anywhere. My job requires me going, even during most city lockdowns. It sucks as the transportation is not nearly as reliable in this case.

As for the AWD turbo soul, I don't think it will work without a drastic increase in quality. Squarely put, Kia is not going to be able to charge that price bracket for a Soul. The Soul exclaim is already salty at 29K for a fully loaded one, unless they are going to try to bracket the AWD ecoboost Escape, which the Soul isn't big enough or refined enough to be.

Yeah, I think the Fiesta is really cool (especially that one liter!), but I literally had to bend my left leg to fit in. That would get annoying after awhile driving stick, I'd imagine.

And yeah, price-wise, the Whole Shebang package for the 2014 Soul is $26,000, which is pretty dang pricey for an econobox with crappy suspension, haha. And again, I don't really feel that AWD is needed. Sure, it would be nice & I wouldn't say no, but the ESC system is fantastic in the snow, so meh.

I am definitely interested in upgrading to the turbo tho :awe:
 

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