2011 Movie Attendance the Lowest in 16 Years

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"It’s been a depressing fall and winter for the movie business. In fact, most studio executives are very pleased to be ushering 2011 to the door. According to an article published Wednesday by the Associated Press, movie attendance reached a 16-year low in 2011. By year’s end this weekend, it’s estimated that 1.28 billion tickets will have been sold over the course of the year, down 4.4 percent from 2010 and the lowest number of moviegoers since 1995 when 1.26 billion tickets were sold.

The culprits? Some point to lousy product and an abundance of sequels and remakes that people greeted with yawns. But that’s certainly not the whole story. There were a lot of excellent films released in 2011 and frankly, with many of the films available for viewing at home or on a variety of other devices shortly after their theatrical release (if not during), the studios may need to rethink the role of traditional moviegoing. Personally, I always prefer seeing a film in a real movie theater, tub of buttered popcorn in hand, but plenty of folks are making do with their gigantic home screens or their miniscule hand-held devices.

Is the recession to blame? Hard to say, especially with the phenomenal success of certain films this year—both the expected mega-hits such as “The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, Part 1” and “Harry Potter and the Dealthy Hallows, Part 2,” as well as several surprise hits including “The Help,” “Bridesmaids,” “Rise of the Planet of the Apes” and “The Smurfs.” Yet many films the studios were banking on performed well below expectations — “Cowboys & Aliens,” “Happy Feet Two” and “Tower Heist” to name a few.

Paul Dergarabedian, an analyst at Hollywood.com sounds a note of caution. “I’m not prepared to be Chicken Little yet,” he wrote, “but if the films coming in 2012 can’t reverse this trend, then I think we need to reevaluate our expectations. We are living in a different world today than we did in the mid-'90s in terms of the technology available to deliver media. That may finally be having an impact.”

Probably, but with such guaranteed blockbusters as “The Dark Knight Rises,” “The Amazing Spider-Man,” “The Avengers,” and “The Hobbit” arriving in 2012, movie honchos are keeping their fingers crossed. Hey, even “Titanic” is coming back, retooled in 3D, of course, as well as new entries in a bunch of popular franchises, from James Bond to “Men in Black” and “Ice Age.”

What do you think? Will 2012 find big crowds returning to the local multiplex?"



My opinion is that movie attendance is falling because:

1) Movie tickets are too expensive.
2) The vast majority of movies are of such low quality that they insult your intelligence.
3) The economy continues to drag along ... and ...
4) There may be some resentment against "Hollywood" as many over-paid actors' paydays continue to get bigger while the common-person sinks into a lower income bracket.
 

Gibson486

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You have to take out a mortgage to go to the movies today....

The theatre near me is $11.50 per ticket

popcorn is some outrageous amount like 7.50 for a medium, then a large coke is $6.50....
 

Rage187

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Tickets and concessions are too expensive. I should be able to treat my family to a movie and popcorn for $20, total.

Or, I can spend $2 at Redbox and watch it on my 200" projection screen courtesy of my Epson 8350 and can pause it for bathroom breaks. Not much of a toss up.
 

JackBurton

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I just buy the BD when it comes out. Saves me the aggravation of going to the theaters and putting up with the morons there.
 

GagHalfrunt

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easier to just wait for these crappy movies to come out on bluray and watch it then.

That's only part of it. The other part is that the movie theater experience mostly sucks. You now have commercials and small screens and people on cell phones and a theater that's either too hot or too cold. It's not that it's easier to wait, it's that it's better. My home theater starts exactly when I want to to start, the temperature is exactly what I want it to be, the movie pauses on command, I sit exactly when I want to be sitting, there are no heads in my sightline, no giggling teenagers 2 seats away, no idiots on cell phones and better snacks. If the movie theaters want me to go to the theater it's going to take more than better movies, they have to give me a reason to see it there rather than seeing it here and so far they're failing in that regard. And I think they always will.

How many game arcades do you see now? There used to be one on every corner and they were all busy because the arcade experience was superior to the home game console system. And that gap shrank and people lost reasons to go to arcades and arcades pretty much disappeared. And movie theaters are going to do the same. They're dinosaurs, their days are numbered and the current business model is doomed. Every single year home theater gets better and cheaper and every year movie theaters get worse and more expensive. It's time for Hollywood to cut the cord and face reality. It's over and in 20 years movie theaters are going to be more rare than drive-ins are now.
 
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For the cost of a single movie night for two people, complete with concessions, I can pay for three months of Netflix streaming and watch hundreds of films and TV shows in my own home. The cost is absurd.
 
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with all the movie downloading, i'm not surprised prices have gone up.. we have a new and nice movie theater here where i live: stadium seating, a very stern add before EVERY movie telling people who talk or text during the movie that they will be escorted out with an emphasis on "....WE WILL ESCORT you out..." I do dis-like the prices but I can just go to a matinee
 

Kaido

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My opinion is that movie attendance is falling because:

1) Movie tickets are too expensive.
2) The vast majority of movies are of such low quality that they insult your intelligence.
3) The economy continues to drag along ... and ...
4) There may be some resentment against "Hollywood" as many over-paid actors' paydays continue to get bigger while the common-person sinks into a lower income bracket.

You forgot the biggest one:

5) Cheap giant TV's

I got my parents a 60" DLP for around $600 last year. It's a monster for the size of their living room, and the picture quality for skintones is better than a $4,000 Pioneer Kuro. I also set them up with a WDTV Live Streaming box, which includes the Vudu service so you can rent movies still in theaters or freshly out of theaters. So they don't have to go pay $13 a ticket at the local theater ($16 for 3D in fake IMAX), no crowds, no kids playing on their cell phones, people talking, ridiculous expensive food (I paid $16 for a soda, popcorn, and pretzel...ridiculous!).

imo, the rise of the Home Theater is what's killing theaters. People still like going out. But a date night is almost $50 just to the movies for a pair of tickets for my wife and I and some snacks - and that *doesn't* include the dinner part of dinner & a movie! I think that movies should definitely be experienced in theaters, not just at home - partly because of the huge screen, partly because of the social environment (watching in a crowd with others), partly because of the large room & big speakers. It's an experience. But the last Batman I saw, I had three teenagers next to me taking cell phone pictures of Heath Ledger the whole time and endless giggling, and when I paid $16 to see Avatar in 3D, some lady brought her three little kids who ran around stealing people's snacks, crying, and screaming at the top of their lungs for half the movie (we had to get a manager in for that one, bleh!).

I got a projector a few years ago. Amazing quality, HD, around $800. Nice big screen inside the house, plus we have an inflatable 12-foot screen from Walmart ($184) that we use for outdoor movie parties (you should play Xbox on that beast!). Why go out, when I can stay in for cheaper and have a better time? I love movies in theaters and still go when I can, but having a home theater is just too convenient. Especially since I got turned onto Vudu recently...Vudu's HDX 1080p video quality is better than my 1080p MKV library, and I can rent it from the comfort of my home without having to drive to Blockbuster or Redbox. And I have a baby at home, so I don't have to coordinate for a babysitter, and I can pause to get snacks, use the bathroom, or check on the kiddo. Technology ftw :awe:
 
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SarcasticDwarf

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One thing that I would like to see more of are the dinner theaters. You go 30 minutes before the film starts, get a large, comfy chair, and order off a menu. Eat dinner, have a drink or two, relax, and watch the movie.

All that is generally only a couple of dollars over standard ticket prices (plus meal).
 

silverpig

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I went and saw Mission Impossible 4 with my wife in IMAX. Tickets were $19 a piece. Popcorn and drink was another $10. If I didn't have a $40 gift card, I wouldn't have gone.

There are good movies that are just too expensive to go an see, there are a bunch of craptacular movies, and then there are the movies I'd rather wait and watch at home.
 

shortylickens

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We got a thread on this in the AV forum.
Ebert goes on a long rant about everything wrong with the system.

His points are basically what I think too. 1st issue is most movies stink. 2nd is everything wrong with actually going to theater, whether its the people working there or movie-goers, or the place itself (prices, seats, screen, parking).
 
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Kaido

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For the cost of a single movie night for two people, complete with concessions, I can pay for three months of Netflix streaming and watch hundreds of films and TV shows in my own home. The cost is absurd.

Exactly. I have Netflix ($8 a month) and Hulu Plus (also $8 a month). I also use Mog for music ($10 a month for 14 million songs). So $26 a month for basically all-you-can eat multimedia. I have a Kindle for e-books and also use Vudu for newer movies (like a rental for date night with my wife). Hard to make the movie theater/music store/book store argument these days when anything you want is less than half the price of a basic cable subscription :p
 

RaistlinZ

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One thing that I would like to see more of are the dinner theaters. You go 30 minutes before the film starts, get a large, comfy chair, and order off a menu. Eat dinner, have a drink or two, relax, and watch the movie.

All that is generally only a couple of dollars over standard ticket prices (plus meal).

LOL. Maybe out in the sticks. But in a high cost of living area something like that would probably go for $30/person.

Ticket prices are just too much. I only go see my "must see" movies nowadays. I just saw Girl/Dragon Tattoo. The next one I'll likely see is the new Underworld. After that.... maybe wait for The Hobbit.
 

Kaido

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One thing that I would like to see more of are the dinner theaters. You go 30 minutes before the film starts, get a large, comfy chair, and order off a menu. Eat dinner, have a drink or two, relax, and watch the movie.

All that is generally only a couple of dollars over standard ticket prices (plus meal).

Whoa, that sounds awesome.

What kills me is that I get the privilege of sitting in what is essentially an airline seat for $13 a ticket, then they come around and ask for handouts for whatever charitable cause there is (why not just donate a dollar from my ticket??) and then I get to sit through 20 minutes of advertisements (or show up right before the movie and get a crappy seat). It's hard not to be disillusioned with the system - it's getting a bit ridiculous, mainly from the pricing standpoint.

We do have a director's theater at ours ($3 more per ticket) that gets you a nicer seat (not what I'd call awesome, but better than the airline ones) and they come around and let you purchase snacks without having to wait in line. That's kind of cool. But a dinner theater sounds awesome!
 

Kaido

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LOL. Maybe out in the sticks. But in a high cost of living area something like that would probably go for $30/person.

Ticket prices are just too much. I only go see my "must see" movies nowadays. I just saw Girl/Dragon Tattoo. The next one I'll likely see is the new Underworld. After that.... maybe wait for The Hobbit.

I'd pay $30/person for that, if it included dinner ($15/ticket & $15/meal). Even if it was like Friendly's-quality food, that would be nice to go out on a date with since you could just show up and chill for the night.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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LOL. Maybe out in the sticks. But in a high cost of living area something like that would probably go for $30/person.

Here's one I went to about a year ago:
http://www.thetheatres.com/

Tickets are $10 + meals

Edit: The food selection there isn't fantastic, but the prices are not bad at all...and that is in the middle of the NOLA tourist district, so you actually pay far less for a meal there than at most of the local restaurants.