2010 Nissan GT-R
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Kabob
Lifer
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It was bound to happen with all the complaints. In their defense, I'm sure it is in the owners manual (although honestly how many people read it?). But how smart is it to make a feature that can only be used ~20(+/-) times in a freaking car, especially when you MARKET the car partially around said feature??
I see it as "It's the only year model that will have no resale value because of a cheap transmission" or something along those lines.
Launch control is a feature that's in the GT-R that allows you to perform a "perfect launch" from a standstill. You push in the break, revv' the engine to a certain point, release the brake and the car starts off. Problem is the GT-R's transmission can only handle around 20 launches and fixing it is not covered by the warranty (oh, and I think someone mentioned a new tranny is like $20,000 or something ridiculous).
I see it as "It's the only year model that will have no resale value because of a cheap transmission" or something along those lines.
Launch control is a feature that's in the GT-R that allows you to perform a "perfect launch" from a standstill. You push in the break, revv' the engine to a certain point, release the brake and the car starts off. Problem is the GT-R's transmission can only handle around 20 launches and fixing it is not covered by the warranty (oh, and I think someone mentioned a new tranny is like $20,000 or something ridiculous).
. The VDC is pretty bad ass though... it once got me up a snow-covered hill (45+ degree angle) with crappy all season tires.
Arkaign
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- Oct 27, 2006
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Launch Control should never have been offered in the first place. It wouldn't have been unusual :
"Ferrari doesn't offer LC on US bound vehicles. Neither does VW/Audi with DSG equipped cars. The "Thrust" LC on US bound Lamborghinis is reportedly a lot softer than on models sold in Europe... hard launches break stuff, especially in an AWD car."
Nissan handled this *VERY* poorly. That said, I really don't think the GT-R has any inherent design flaws, or a weak transmission, it's just that LC on a ~500hp AWD vehicle amounts to dumping the clutch at what amounts to full throttle, and that's bad for *any* car, ESPECIALLY an AWD one.
It helped them get marginally better 0-60 times, but I don't think it was worth it. Does anyone think that a 3.4s 0-60 is really worth nearly breaking your car when ~3.7 or so can be had all day long without using LC?
"Ferrari doesn't offer LC on US bound vehicles. Neither does VW/Audi with DSG equipped cars. The "Thrust" LC on US bound Lamborghinis is reportedly a lot softer than on models sold in Europe... hard launches break stuff, especially in an AWD car."
Nissan handled this *VERY* poorly. That said, I really don't think the GT-R has any inherent design flaws, or a weak transmission, it's just that LC on a ~500hp AWD vehicle amounts to dumping the clutch at what amounts to full throttle, and that's bad for *any* car, ESPECIALLY an AWD one.
It helped them get marginally better 0-60 times, but I don't think it was worth it. Does anyone think that a 3.4s 0-60 is really worth nearly breaking your car when ~3.7 or so can be had all day long without using LC?
I just don't know enough about DSG's in general to say whether Nissan should improve the system or take the easy route and disable it(as it appears they have).
I've read conflicting reports that the Evo X ECU limits how much TQ will be sent to the gearbox so modding for power has hit a wall.
But I've read in other places that some tuners have been able to get around this.
So I don't really know what can and can't be done, but if possible, rather than disabling it completely, Nissan should set a hard limit how much power is being routed, IF having these limits in place AND using LC still provide benefits in terms of 0-60.
I've read conflicting reports that the Evo X ECU limits how much TQ will be sent to the gearbox so modding for power has hit a wall.
But I've read in other places that some tuners have been able to get around this.
So I don't really know what can and can't be done, but if possible, rather than disabling it completely, Nissan should set a hard limit how much power is being routed, IF having these limits in place AND using LC still provide benefits in terms of 0-60.
The Boston Dangler
Lifer
- Mar 10, 2005
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No it wont, but it'll affect the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times big time since every reviewer used launch control.
thescreensavers
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I can't wait to see the new 0-60. I think the GTR is a nicely engineered machine, but the LC shit is just BS. Marketing something that voids the warranty - GENIUS!
Show me a link where Nissan officially markets launch control. You can't because its NOT an official feature and it's NOT in the owners manual. The Warranty wasn't instantly void when LC was used, it's just if something broke it wouldn't be covered. How is that any different from doing neutral drops on a brand new car and taking to the dealer when it broke only to have them deny the warranty?
0-60 times are in the 3.5-4.0 seond range without LC.
Smart move by Nissan to Mitigate the effect of idiot owners.
Search on Youtube, there is a top level Nissan exec showcasing the feature to Jay Leno on TV, you need to do some research and not make yourself look like a fucking dumbass ignorant retard.
Also, the warranty is instantly voided if you use LC just ONCE. There is a million page thread over at a nissan forum on it, they can tell if you turned it on one time.
So, if in 2 years you have a transmission issue or anything else related to using LC, they can void your warranty based on the ONE time you turned it off.
BS SHOW the proof. The Warranty is NOT voided when it's used just once. What Crap are you reading?
It's Not A nissan approved feature get it through your head you idiot.
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
- Jul 3, 2003
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this is why we can't have nice things.
blame the handful of abusive owners and internet car forums for blowing things way out of proportion.
They should just go design a stronger transmission instead of taking out the LC in the first place
SithSolo1
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- Mar 19, 2001
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You need to get your ducks in a row.
Using LC does not void the warranty. Having something break while using LC or within a short time after(week-month) has a high possibly of being denied for warranty coverage.
btw- the thread you are referring to is probably the 79 page thread at nagtroc.org
Also even without LC people are getting stock GT-Rs in the mid-to-high 11s quarter miles. But it doesn't really matter, it isn't a dragster, its a track car.
Easier said than done, these twin clutch transmissions are always a weak point. Putting in a manual would be the answer.
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