2008 Clinton McCain...?
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judasmachine
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Maybe he's a moderate, as the libs call him a con, and the cons call him a lib.............................hmmmm?
You think America would elect him? IYO, what makes him such a good choice to pick up where Bush leaves off in 08?
McCain is absolutely not a liberal. But I think he would be a strong and moralistic leader, without imposing his values on others.
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McCain's not liberal. He has a highly conservative voting record on most issues. I'm not sure where people get the idea he is a potential Democrat, except perhaps that he doesn't perfectly fit the neoconservative mold the Republican party has settled into in recent years.
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Rumsfeld couldn't be elected for dogcatcher. He has among the lowest public approval ratings of any prominent federal political figure. Crimson is just trying to remind us he's the archest neoconservative in the room.
Holy sh!t, talk about a way to piss off the liberals! I think their heads would explode if Rumsfeld was president.
I would have to agree. I wondered if he really meant that. It sounded pretty out there to me. I wonder who will get the GOP nod in '08. Should be an interesting 4 years.I can guarantee you this, if the Republican party and the American people are exactly the way they are now in '08, there is no way a moderate Republican will be the candidate. Forget Giulianni and forget Colin Powell, it just won't happen. Expect a Frist, or even Jeb Bush to be running. If that happens, it's all over for the Democrats, there is simply no way to win.
However, if public attitude towards this administration worsens and there is a backlash against the religious moral agenda that Bush will try to push through, then we very well may see a moderate Republican running. If that's the case, the Dems have a solid chance of winning. The way I see it, the Dems aren't going to try to out-Southern the Republicans, so I see either Hilary or Obama getting the nod. Hilary will probably get the nomination though, if i were a betting man.
I'd imagine a ticket with Hilary and Obama would be ideal though. Hilary would lock up a huge portion of the women vote, prob. getting in upwards of 60% I bet. Regardless of her political views, what woman wouldn't want one of their own in office, let alone running the country. Obama would definitely get a significant amount of the minority vote as well, and with the Hispanic population growing fast, he could really make the difference. The combination of these two may be enough to offset the religious vote in the Southern and Mid-west states that pushed Bush over the edge this time. But only time will tell.............
However, if public attitude towards this administration worsens and there is a backlash against the religious moral agenda that Bush will try to push through, then we very well may see a moderate Republican running. If that's the case, the Dems have a solid chance of winning. The way I see it, the Dems aren't going to try to out-Southern the Republicans, so I see either Hilary or Obama getting the nod. Hilary will probably get the nomination though, if i were a betting man.
I'd imagine a ticket with Hilary and Obama would be ideal though. Hilary would lock up a huge portion of the women vote, prob. getting in upwards of 60% I bet. Regardless of her political views, what woman wouldn't want one of their own in office, let alone running the country. Obama would definitely get a significant amount of the minority vote as well, and with the Hispanic population growing fast, he could really make the difference. The combination of these two may be enough to offset the religious vote in the Southern and Mid-west states that pushed Bush over the edge this time. But only time will tell.............
wonderful.
I've always been a big supporter of the Iraqi War; as a man with significant military experience, I don't think that McCain would have made the same mistakes that Bush did.
You know I do't entirely agree with you there, even as much as I've come to respect your opinions. I don't think Bush is popular. At all. Or at least not in a significant sense. Most of what I've gathered about this election is that it was a Christian movement against what's called the "Gay Agenda." I sh1t you not.
I heard Savage frothing at the mouth about it just last night, and its an undercurrent I've detected in the cons on this forum as well. All Christians that I've spokem with voted with one thing in mind, subduing the "gay agenda." It very well may be that simplistic and demented.
That being said, if the D's can subdue the fringe and the gay community long enough to keep them on the back burner until after the election then the D's may not repell the WASP's in droves like they have this election. This may be easier said than done though, unfortunately, because guys like Rove have long since zero'd into this concept and will continue to exploit this for all its worth. Even if the D's manage to keep the gay community quite in the months leading up to the election, the R's will drag them right back into the spotlight leaving a nice glowing neon vacancy sign in the GOP presidential candidacy that could be filled by just about anybody.
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