2008 Accord EX-L V6 Test Drive

thecritic

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My dad and I took an 2008 Accord EX-L V6 Sedan out for a spin today, and I came away being fairly impressed with the vehicle overall. The driving position was excellent (just like the Altima), as my knees did not come close to touching the steering wheel, which is an issue with the Camry and the new 2008 Malibu. The interior was also a substantial upgrade over the Camry, especially with regards to the materials and fit and finish. The center stack, which some criticize for its busy look, had a very modern and futuristic appearance to me. The use of a single button to control all functions was very efficient under my use.

On the road, the Accord was comparable to the Camry. The engines were equally strong, despite the lack of a sixth gear in the Accord. The differences in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times between the Accord and Camry are not noticeable under normal driving. Acceleration was strong even with a loaded car and the A/C running. Unfortunately the Accord's V6 is still equipped with a timing belt, which will require replacement (timing belt, tensioner, water pump and drive belts) about every 100k miles at the cost of around $800. Belt driven engines must be quieter, as this engine was noticeably quieter than the Camry's, which is chain driven.

There were significant differences in the handling department between the Camry and the Accord. The Accord handled very well for a sedan of its size. It was similar to the 3.5SE Altima. The chassis felt very "tight" and the ride was VERY firm. Definitely too firm for a lot of people. The LE V6 Camry I was in several months ago was very soft in comparison, and exhibited lackluster handling.

The Accord does have several negatives. First, wind noise is still a huge issue with the Accord; it was absolutely awful at 70 mph. Very, very noticeable. I also wished bluetooth was available without the navigation option. In addition, I'm not too pleased about the replacement cost for the timing belt.

Still, if I had to pick between the Accord, Camry, Altima, and the 2008 Malibu, the Accord would be my choice. It offers a great driving position and interior, as well as good performance and respectable handling. The Camry's interior doesn't impress me, its driving position is poor, and the 6-speed automatic's transmission has questionable reliability. The Altima offers equal or better handling than the Accord, but the CVT transmission has had a spotty reliability record in the Murano, and the premium fuel requirement in addition to the poor fuel economy of the V6 makes operating costs too high.

P.S. I did drop by the local Chevy dealer on the way home to see the 2008 Malibu. The interior door panels lacked any cloth or leather inserts (all plastic), and my head was touching the roof when I sat in the rear seat. (I'm only 5'11") Also, my knees were nearly rubbing against the steering wheel. I didn't go on a test drive, so I can't comment any further.
 

redgtxdi

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Edited on the D/L! :p

Ain't it too bad they can't blend these vehicles taking the best from both?? (As I've said before, the Malibu is gonna have to show me a good 2 or 3 years of serious goodness to match the Japanese, so I ain't including it in any consideration of Camry vs. Accord)


Too bad the wind noise is still a problem on the Accord. It's 2008 and these fvckers still can't figure out how to stop this stuff???

I wonder sometimes, if the 4 year timeline isn't the auto mfgr's worst enemy. Maybe they don't have time enough to test & retest to eliminate the 'bad' in each generation's design, before it comes time for the next revision???
 

thecritic

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Yeah, the wind noise was very disappointing. The Camry was quiet in comparison. I could go 100 mph on that car and not even realize it.
 

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I've been looking into this (and the non-V6 too) but they're just so damn big. Hopefully I can take a test drive in the next few weeks.
 

fbrdphreak

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Thanks for the info. We had an 07 Accord sedan V6 for a loaner and it was quite nice as well - the motor had to spin up to really get moving, but it was nice overall and the handling & ride were quite good. I bet they had to firm up the suspension to handle the extra weight - I really don't think I'd want a BIGGER Accord. The current one is big enough.

I have to say though, there must be something to do about the clearance issues in the Malibu. My GTO isn't roomy inside for a coupe, but I have plenty of room in my seat to drive stick comfortably (I'm 6' 4"). What all did you adjust in the Malibu? And I'll be terribly disappointed in Chevy if that's true about rear seat headroom - there's just gotta be something off about that.

EDIT In related news...

GM sent 3,500 of them [Malibu's] to dealers. And they only expected 500 of them to get off the lot, down the road burning gas.

Well, as George W. Bush said, GM "misunderestimated." GM's on track to sell nearly the entire allotment, with 3,000 cars looking to be on the move. Lutz said dealers don't have any because they keep selling out of them. The same phenomenon is being reported for the Buick Enclave. which is not only exceeding sales expectations, but swiping the expected younger buyers from the Saturn Outlook. Hey Mr. Lutz: that's because the Enclave looks curvy and cool, and the Saturn, uh, doesn't.
 

redgtxdi

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I'm a little confused by the GM comment. 3,500, but only 500 are gonna sell??? But they can't keep 'em on the lot??? Sound like a contradictory statement to anybody else??


Anyway...........I'd also like to know what "young" crowd can AFFORD the Enclave!?!?

I hope they mean some new definition of "40-something, well established w/ money come out their @$$" kinda young. :p

Last time I checked, the Enclave was hardly "entry-level" priced!
 

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Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Edited on the D/L! :p

Ain't it too bad they can't blend these vehicles taking the best from both?? (As I've said before, the Malibu is gonna have to show me a good 2 or 3 years of serious goodness to match the Japanese, so I ain't including it in any consideration of Camry vs. Accord)


Too bad the wind noise is still a problem on the Accord. It's 2008 and these fvckers still can't figure out how to stop this stuff???

I wonder sometimes, if the 4 year timeline isn't the auto mfgr's worst enemy. Maybe they don't have time enough to test & retest to eliminate the 'bad' in each generation's design, before it comes time for the next revision???

The Accord is on a 5-year cycle these days, though it was a 4-year cycle through 1997. And since the previous generation was still winning comparison tests in its fifth year, I'll guess Honda wasn't too worried about not being able to improve the new one enough.

At any rate, Hondas have never been as quiet as, say Toyotas. I agree that it would be great if they paid more attention to it, though if I had to choose between time and money being spent on reducing the wind noise versus the handling/drivetrain/ergonomics, I'll pick the latter. And that's why I drive a Honda instead of a Toyota. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Thanks for the info. We had an 07 Accord sedan V6 for a loaner and it was quite nice as well - the motor had to spin up to really get moving, but it was nice overall and the handling & ride were quite good. I bet they had to firm up the suspension to handle the extra weight - I really don't think I'd want a BIGGER Accord. The current one is big enough.

I have to say though, there must be something to do about the clearance issues in the Malibu. My GTO isn't roomy inside for a coupe, but I have plenty of room in my seat to drive stick comfortably (I'm 6' 4"). What all did you adjust in the Malibu? And I'll be terribly disappointed in Chevy if that's true about rear seat headroom - there's just gotta be something off about that.

Re: the new Malibus...

1) I can't help but think he was missing the telescoping function of the steering wheel. For all the bigger my '06 Malibu is, I have a ton of room under/behind the steering wheel. I'm very comfortable with the seating/driving positions. I wouldn't think the 08's would take a step backwards.

2) I haven't sat in the 08 Malibu but I have sat in the Saturn Aura which is what the Malibu is built off of. For such a big car, I felt really claustrophobic in the back seat. The rear is sloped that the headliner really drops off fast. A huge step backwards over the cavernous feel of my Malibu Maxx.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Thanks for the info. We had an 07 Accord sedan V6 for a loaner and it was quite nice as well - the motor had to spin up to really get moving, but it was nice overall and the handling & ride were quite good. I bet they had to firm up the suspension to handle the extra weight - I really don't think I'd want a BIGGER Accord. The current one is big enough.

I have to say though, there must be something to do about the clearance issues in the Malibu. My GTO isn't roomy inside for a coupe, but I have plenty of room in my seat to drive stick comfortably (I'm 6' 4"). What all did you adjust in the Malibu? And I'll be terribly disappointed in Chevy if that's true about rear seat headroom - there's just gotta be something off about that.

Re: the new Malibus...

1) I can't help but think he was missing the telescoping function of the steering wheel. For all the bigger my '06 Malibu is, I have a ton of room under/behind the steering wheel. I'm very comfortable with the seating/driving positions. I wouldn't think the 08's would take a step backwards.

2) I haven't sat in the 08 Malibu but I have sat in the Saturn Aura which is what the Malibu is built off of. For such a big car, I felt really claustrophobic in the back seat. The rear is sloped that the headliner really drops off fast. A huge step backwards over the cavernous feel of my Malibu Maxx.

1) I used the telescoping function of the steering wheel and the seat height adjustment. No matter which combination I used, the room between my knee and the steering wheel was inadequate to me. It wasn't exactly rubbing, but there wasn't much room. Maybe an inch or two. The Accord in comparison, offered four or five inches in this area.

2) Yes, my biggest gripe was about the rear seat. I'm 5'11" and my short hair was already rubbing against the headliner.
 

BUTCH1

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Originally posted by: thecritic
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Thanks for the info. We had an 07 Accord sedan V6 for a loaner and it was quite nice as well - the motor had to spin up to really get moving, but it was nice overall and the handling & ride were quite good. I bet they had to firm up the suspension to handle the extra weight - I really don't think I'd want a BIGGER Accord. The current one is big enough.

I have to say though, there must be something to do about the clearance issues in the Malibu. My GTO isn't roomy inside for a coupe, but I have plenty of room in my seat to drive stick comfortably (I'm 6' 4"). What all did you adjust in the Malibu? And I'll be terribly disappointed in Chevy if that's true about rear seat headroom - there's just gotta be something off about that.

Re: the new Malibus...

1) I can't help but think he was missing the telescoping function of the steering wheel. For all the bigger my '06 Malibu is, I have a ton of room under/behind the steering wheel. I'm very comfortable with the seating/driving positions. I wouldn't think the 08's would take a step backwards.

2) I haven't sat in the 08 Malibu but I have sat in the Saturn Aura which is what the Malibu is built off of. For such a big car, I felt really claustrophobic in the back seat. The rear is sloped that the headliner really drops off fast. A huge step backwards over the cavernous feel of my Malibu Maxx.

1) I used the telescoping function of the steering wheel and the seat height adjustment. No matter which combination I used, the room between my knee and the steering wheel was inadequate to me. It wasn't exactly rubbing, but there wasn't much room. Maybe an inch or two. The Accord in comparison, offered four or five inches in this area.

2) Yes, my biggest gripe was about the rear seat. I'm 5'11" and my short hair was already rubbing against the headliner.

Maybe the steering wheel was tilted in the "down" position, I've got an '05 Malibu and
plenty of room here..
 

thecritic

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Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: thecritic
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Thanks for the info. We had an 07 Accord sedan V6 for a loaner and it was quite nice as well - the motor had to spin up to really get moving, but it was nice overall and the handling & ride were quite good. I bet they had to firm up the suspension to handle the extra weight - I really don't think I'd want a BIGGER Accord. The current one is big enough.

I have to say though, there must be something to do about the clearance issues in the Malibu. My GTO isn't roomy inside for a coupe, but I have plenty of room in my seat to drive stick comfortably (I'm 6' 4"). What all did you adjust in the Malibu? And I'll be terribly disappointed in Chevy if that's true about rear seat headroom - there's just gotta be something off about that.

Re: the new Malibus...

1) I can't help but think he was missing the telescoping function of the steering wheel. For all the bigger my '06 Malibu is, I have a ton of room under/behind the steering wheel. I'm very comfortable with the seating/driving positions. I wouldn't think the 08's would take a step backwards.

2) I haven't sat in the 08 Malibu but I have sat in the Saturn Aura which is what the Malibu is built off of. For such a big car, I felt really claustrophobic in the back seat. The rear is sloped that the headliner really drops off fast. A huge step backwards over the cavernous feel of my Malibu Maxx.

1) I used the telescoping function of the steering wheel and the seat height adjustment. No matter which combination I used, the room between my knee and the steering wheel was inadequate to me. It wasn't exactly rubbing, but there wasn't much room. Maybe an inch or two. The Accord in comparison, offered four or five inches in this area.

2) Yes, my biggest gripe was about the rear seat. I'm 5'11" and my short hair was already rubbing against the headliner.

Maybe the steering wheel was tilted in the "down" position, I've got an '05 Malibu and
plenty of room here..

Possibly, but i pushed it up and in as far as it would go.
 

AMCRambler

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Sounds like Chevy really screwed up the Malibu with the re-design they did. I had a rental out in California that was a 2007 and it was perfectly comfortable for me and I'm 6'2". It was a pretty good car and I actually liked it. It was missing a wheel cover though so it looked kind of ghetto. They probably pop off real easy.
 

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Originally posted by: jjanders
I've been looking into this (and the non-V6 too) but they're just so damn big. Hopefully I can take a test drive in the next few weeks.

Yup. The accord just keeps getting bigger and bigger. I'll take the Euro-Accord (Acura TSX in the states) over this new car.

I am excited about the diesel engine options for 2009 though on US Spec accords.
 

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i don't like that center console with all the buttons, it juts out at you, it looks hideous.
 

BUTCH1

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Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Sounds like Chevy really screwed up the Malibu with the re-design they did. I had a rental out in California that was a 2007 and it was perfectly comfortable for me and I'm 6'2". It was a pretty good car and I actually liked it. It was missing a wheel cover though so it looked kind of ghetto. They probably pop off real easy.

They made it bigger and put in a more modern OHC V6 engine with around 255 HP. Problem
for me is, it now weighs 600Lbs more and the 6 only gets 17Mpg city. I'll stick with mine
('05), getting 23.5 city W/ a V6. Yea, so mine only makes 200Hp but that's enough for
me..
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Sounds like Chevy really screwed up the Malibu with the re-design they did. I had a rental out in California that was a 2007 and it was perfectly comfortable for me and I'm 6'2". It was a pretty good car and I actually liked it. It was missing a wheel cover though so it looked kind of ghetto. They probably pop off real easy.

They made it bigger and put in a more modern OHC V6 engine with around 255 HP. Problem
for me is, it now weighs 600Lbs more and the 6 only gets 17Mpg city. I'll stick with mine
('05), getting 23.5 city W/ a V6. Yea, so mine only makes 200Hp but that's enough for
me..

You have to remember that part of the drop in milage is due to more conservative EPA ratings on the stickers. The 3.5L doesn't see any duty in '08 so we don't know what it would drop to.

That being said, I have no complaints at all on the unheralded 3.5L in our Malibus. It's a great motor for what it is. Excellent fuel economy, good grunt both down low and it digs nicely for passing. Plus it runs so quiet you don't even know it's on.

I don't know if I'm really sold on the added complexity, weight, ect of the 3.6L for the performance it returns. I know they need to put it in there to keep competitive on paper. But honestly, most people would be better off in the long run with the low-tech 3.5L that it replaced.
 

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On the topic of V6's and size.....are there any "small" V6 cars around nowadays? For example, the IS250. Granted, that's probably out of my price range, but it seems most of the V6 "mid size" cars are BIG, at least to me. What are options for cars that are truly mid sized with a V6?
 

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Originally posted by: jjanders
On the topic of V6's and size.....are there any "small" V6 cars around nowadays? For example, the IS250. Granted, that's probably out of my price range, but it seems most of the V6 "mid size" cars are BIG, at least to me. What are options for cars that are truly mid sized with a V6?

An Altima is small in comparison to the Camry, Accord and Malibu.
 

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Originally posted by: jjanders
On the topic of V6's and size.....are there any "small" V6 cars around nowadays? For example, the IS250. Granted, that's probably out of my price range, but it seems most of the V6 "mid size" cars are BIG, at least to me. What are options for cars that are truly mid sized with a V6?

Current gen Mazda 6, Subaru Legacy (no V6 but the 2.5L turbo is as good), VW Jetta w/ the 2.0T and Audi A4 are a few that come to mind.
 

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Originally posted by: thecritic
Jetta is no longer available with the 2.0T for 08, unless you purchase the GLI trim.

I wish they'd just dump the 2.5L and make the 2.0T the corporate mule. The 2.0T gets better milage and offers quite a bit better performance.

But to answer jjanders original question - it is really hard to find a small/midsize car anymore that is "mainstream". To get one you have to go luxury. Almost all the luxury brands out there have something that fits this niche:

Acura - TSX (although not a 6 cylinder and no turbo to bring the 4 up to snuff)
Audi - A4
BMW - 3 series
Jag - Had the X-Type. It sucked. But it was small and V6 powered.
Saab - 9-3 (turbo 4)
Volvo - S60 (turbo 5)
Lexus - IS

And then the forementioned Legacy, Mazda 6, and Jetta.

 

thecritic

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: thecritic
Jetta is no longer available with the 2.0T for 08, unless you purchase the GLI trim.

I wish they'd just dump the 2.5L and make the 2.0T the corporate mule. The 2.0T gets better milage and offers quite a bit better performance.

But to answer jjanders original question - it is really hard to find a small/midsize car anymore that is "mainstream". To get one you have to go luxury. Almost all the luxury brands out there have something that fits this niche:

Acura - TSX (although not a 6 cylinder and no turbo to bring the 4 up to snuff)
Audi - A4
BMW - 3 series
Jag - Had the X-Type. It sucked. But it was small and V6 powered.
Saab - 9-3 (turbo 4)
Volvo - S60 (turbo 5)
Lexus - IS

And then the forementioned Legacy, Mazda 6, and Jetta.

Me too. However, the typical Jetta customer (I think it's young female college students) are not very careful about vehicle maintenance. The 2.5 I5 can take a lot more abuse as far as oil change intervals than the 2.0T. I think VW actually had that in mind as the 2.5 has a 6L OIL SUMP and specs 10k service intervals on synthetic oil.
 

BUTCH1

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Sounds like Chevy really screwed up the Malibu with the re-design they did. I had a rental out in California that was a 2007 and it was perfectly comfortable for me and I'm 6'2". It was a pretty good car and I actually liked it. It was missing a wheel cover though so it looked kind of ghetto. They probably pop off real easy.

They made it bigger and put in a more modern OHC V6 engine with around 255 HP. Problem
for me is, it now weighs 600Lbs more and the 6 only gets 17Mpg city. I'll stick with mine
('05), getting 23.5 city W/ a V6. Yea, so mine only makes 200Hp but that's enough for
me..

You have to remember that part of the drop in milage is due to more conservative EPA ratings on the stickers. The 3.5L doesn't see any duty in '08 so we don't know what it would drop to.

That being said, I have no complaints at all on the unheralded 3.5L in our Malibus. It's a great motor for what it is. Excellent fuel economy, good grunt both down low and it digs nicely for passing. Plus it runs so quiet you don't even know it's on.

I don't know if I'm really sold on the added complexity, weight, ect of the 3.6L for the performance it returns. I know they need to put it in there to keep competitive on paper. But honestly, most people would be better off in the long run with the low-tech 3.5L that it replaced.

Actually the EPA has gone over and re-applied the new numbers to older cars too Link
it's listing my '05 now as 20/29 but I'm doing much better than that. Guess a lot of it is the driving habits of the individual. The 3.5 makes
it's 228Ft-lbs below 3000RPM, where it's needed most.