DainBramaged
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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Sketcher
Who's the fanboy raving redlines? 8K is relevant to the Sedan discussion regarding previous Civic Sedan models; but no one's discussing it as a deciding factor. HP and torque aren't being ignored by any means. They are apparently more important than other factors to you though.
A high redline = loud as hell = tuner (or perhaps, ricer) crowd loves it.
Exactly. Fanboys love that crap.
Is there really a new CRX in the works? I haven't heard anything about it but I did see some concept pictures a while ago. That would be badass to have both an old CRX and a new CRX. (I personally think the old CRX rocks it hardcore though)...but I'm bias.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Sketcher
Who's the fanboy raving redlines? 8K is relevant to the Sedan discussion regarding previous Civic Sedan models; but no one's discussing it as a deciding factor. HP and torque aren't being ignored by any means. They are apparently more important than other factors to you though
A high redline = loud as hell = tuner (or perhaps, ricer) crowd loves it.
Exactly. Fanboys love that crap.
It's great for track racing (e.g. Elise, F1 cars etc). I wouldn't really call it crap since at some point or another it does serve a purpose. I do know where you're coming from though but some small 4 cylinders can only make the power at that RPM, its just how it's designed.
Dr. Detroit
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Civic Si has a pretty soft suspension. Car & Driver road tested the SI and found a lot of body roll.
The Cobalt SS flys! Went around the track faster than the Mustang GT. The Cobalt was a full 5 seconds faster than the Si, 4 seconds faster tha n GTI and 1/2 a second faster than the Mustang GT.
The Cobalt SS flys! Went around the track faster than the Mustang GT. The Cobalt was a full 5 seconds faster than the Si, 4 seconds faster tha n GTI and 1/2 a second faster than the Mustang GT.
the sedan Si is gonna be sick, just as sick as the new coupe Si's......im in love with them, i just need some money
Uhm yeah, lots of discussion going on here about ricer raving redlines... BTW, a vid clip of a Dyno test is linked in the OP. If that's "loud as hell" then spank me and call me Sally. Seriously, got anything other than latent fanboy angst to grind? No one's ricing out the thread.
Well, it is a package/performance version of the stock vehicle; not a different vehicle in itelf. At least the changes don't look like just a bunch of bolt on parts.
I actually like the look of the new Civic Sedan in stock trim. A little primp here and there and I think they did a good job with the Si styling. I don't know about the wing though. If I order one this spring I'll likely see if I can order without it.
Don Vito Corleone
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Someone please feel free to correct me, but I believe the only reason Honda engines appear to have little torque is the very high redlines VTEC allows. Since peak torque has a constant relationship to HP at 5500 RPM, an engine that revs to 8K will always have what appears to be low peak torque relative to peak RPM. The same thing is true of the very high-revving Ferrari and BMW engines (e.g., a Ferrari 360 has 400 bhp but only 275 lb-ft of torque, and an M5 500 bhp and 383 lb-ft), but nobody bitches so much about it because the raw torque numbers are still acceptable due to larger engine displacement.
regardless of actual power figures, i've driven the Si hard and when the tach swings north of 6K, the hair will stand up on the back of your neck from the sound and sudden rush as the cams switch over. it's a very fun car. that said, the lack of headroom, the drone of the engine at cruise, and the meth-addict feel make me prefer the refined thrust of Accord V6 6-speed.
BTW, the Si is more fun to drive than the WRX, which has more power and AWD. the MS3 has more power still but looses the AWD. my guess is that unless the MS3 handles REALLY well and feels REALLY good, the Si would be as much fun.
BTW, the Si is more fun to drive than the WRX, which has more power and AWD. the MS3 has more power still but looses the AWD. my guess is that unless the MS3 handles REALLY well and feels REALLY good, the Si would be as much fun.
As far as stock street cars go, its pretty loud. I've seen enough of them tear down the street in my prescence to know this. Its not WRX Sti loud, but it's up there. Its not fart can loud, its 8000rpm cold air intake loud.
On the inside, I imagine it's even louder. My car revs to 8350. I'd rather not have to rev that high in order to get the full potential out of my engine. At the same time, having a small, high revving, high compression ratio engine is great for economy, but as far as performance and pure enjoyment goes, there's no replacement for displacement.
Pretty much. It's damn fun, but it's like unleashing the fury. A lot of the times, I'd just want to be able to blast off without all that ruckus.
Probably, but I'd most likely end up pushing the MS3 harder more often, just because it'd be so effortless.
No argument there. But then, those desiring the benefits of increased displacement usually aren't putting a magnifying glass on economy cars.
I'd say you have info worth noting there Don. Here's a link from automobilemag.com that describes a comparison between powerbands through rpm range for the Volkswagen GTI, Honda Civic Si(coupe) and Mazdaspeed 3:
Mazdaspeed3 Torque
The Truth in Numbers
2007 Volkswagen GTI, Honda Civic Si, and Mazdaspeed 3 Dyno Tests: The Truth in Numbers
I'm taller still and I routinely ride in the back seat of things like corollas and so forth with two other people. It's definately doable.
I'm much more at home in the captain's chair of my town car, though, and the four people in the back prefer it as well.
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