2007 Annual Car Reliability Survey

[leftyman]

article

 

[markgm]

Good to know nothing has really changed in a year!

 

[spaceman]

bah the camcordy.

 

[BUTCH1]

Reliable or not, I wouldn't drive a Toyota Prius to a rockfight...It's just a box on wheels,
FUGLY...

 

[j00fek]

nothing new here american cars sucketh

 

[Vette73]

Yea that is based off of Consumer Reports?. Which anybody that knows anything knows their "surveys" are not scientific to say the least.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea that is based off of Consumer Reports?. Which anybody that knows anything knows their "surveys" are not scientific to say the least.

If you really knew anything, you'd realize that there are no large reliability surveys that can be classified as truly scientific. Despite their flaws, voluntary survey seems to be the only way to gauge vehicle reliability on any kind of large scale.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea that is based off of Consumer Reports?. Which anybody that knows anything knows their "surveys" are not scientific to say the least.

If you really knew anything, you'd realize that there are no large reliability surveys that can be classified as truly scientific. Despite their flaws, voluntary survey seems to be the only way to gauge vehicle reliability on any kind of large scale.

And if you knew anything about surveys you would know that JD Powers DO meet the basic threshold for scientific study.
Consumer reports breaks the first rule, that for a survey to be true that any subject has a equal chance of being selected. They break that by ONLY asking people that subscribe to their magazine and website what they think. So its no wonder why the results seem to stay similar year after year.

?Where is the data from?
Consumer Reports obtains its reliability data from an Annual Questionnaire that is sent to subscribers to ConsumerReports.org and Consumer Reports magazine.?

 

[AdamK47]

It's consumer reports. You know... reports by consumers. The majority of these consumers own these vehicles. The magazine should stick to toaster reviews.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea that is based off of Consumer Reports?. Which anybody that knows anything knows their "surveys" are not scientific to say the least.

If you really knew anything, you'd realize that there are no large reliability surveys that can be classified as truly scientific. Despite their flaws, voluntary survey seems to be the only way to gauge vehicle reliability on any kind of large scale.

And if you knew anything about surveys you would know that JD Powers DO meet the basic threshold for scientific study.
Consumer reports breaks the first rule, that for a survey to be true that any subject has a equal chance of being selected. They break that by ONLY asking people that subscribe to their magazine and website what they think. So its no wonder why the results seem to stay similar year after year.

?Where is the data from?
Consumer Reports obtains its reliability data from an Annual Questionnaire that is sent to subscribers to ConsumerReports.org and Consumer Reports magazine.?

While I agree with you - what makes you think their real results are skewed by asking only their readers? Their results pretty much mirror the trends found in those from JD Powers - so what makes them irrelevant?

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea that is based off of Consumer Reports?. Which anybody that knows anything knows their "surveys" are not scientific to say the least.

If you really knew anything, you'd realize that there are no large reliability surveys that can be classified as truly scientific. Despite their flaws, voluntary survey seems to be the only way to gauge vehicle reliability on any kind of large scale.

And if you knew anything about surveys you would know that JD Powers DO meet the basic threshold for scientific study.
Consumer reports breaks the first rule, that for a survey to be true that any subject has a equal chance of being selected. They break that by ONLY asking people that subscribe to their magazine and website what they think. So its no wonder why the results seem to stay similar year after year.

?Where is the data from?
Consumer Reports obtains its reliability data from an Annual Questionnaire that is sent to subscribers to ConsumerReports.org and Consumer Reports magazine.?

While I agree with you - what makes you think their real results are skewed by asking only their readers? Their results pretty much mirror the trends found in those from JD Powers - so what makes them irrelevant?

By limiting the entries to those who subscribe to the magazine. Just like any other magazine, the subscribers are like minded and continue to subscribe to the magazine because they agree with the material printed.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea that is based off of Consumer Reports?. Which anybody that knows anything knows their "surveys" are not scientific to say the least.

If you really knew anything, you'd realize that there are no large reliability surveys that can be classified as truly scientific. Despite their flaws, voluntary survey seems to be the only way to gauge vehicle reliability on any kind of large scale.

And if you knew anything about surveys you would know that JD Powers DO meet the basic threshold for scientific study.
Consumer reports breaks the first rule, that for a survey to be true that any subject has a equal chance of being selected. They break that by ONLY asking people that subscribe to their magazine and website what they think. So its no wonder why the results seem to stay similar year after year.

?Where is the data from?
Consumer Reports obtains its reliability data from an Annual Questionnaire that is sent to subscribers to ConsumerReports.org and Consumer Reports magazine.?

While I agree with you - what makes you think their real results are skewed by asking only their readers? Their results pretty much mirror the trends found in those from JD Powers - so what makes them irrelevant?

By limiting the entries to those who subscribe to the magazine. Just like any other magazine, the subscribers are like minded and continue to subscribe to the magazine because they agree with the material printed.

If that were true, then why are the general trends in reliability nearly the same between CR and JD? You're trying to discredit them simply because you find fault with their sampling method - but you have no proof that their sampling method is actually skewing the real results. If it were, what explains the parallelism between CR and JDP?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yea that is based off of Consumer Reports?. Which anybody that knows anything knows their "surveys" are not scientific to say the least.

If you really knew anything, you'd realize that there are no large reliability surveys that can be classified as truly scientific. Despite their flaws, voluntary survey seems to be the only way to gauge vehicle reliability on any kind of large scale.

And if you knew anything about surveys you would know that JD Powers DO meet the basic threshold for scientific study.
Consumer reports breaks the first rule, that for a survey to be true that any subject has a equal chance of being selected. They break that by ONLY asking people that subscribe to their magazine and website what they think. So its no wonder why the results seem to stay similar year after year.

?Where is the data from?
Consumer Reports obtains its reliability data from an Annual Questionnaire that is sent to subscribers to ConsumerReports.org and Consumer Reports magazine.?

While I agree with you - what makes you think their real results are skewed by asking only their readers? Their results pretty much mirror the trends found in those from JD Powers - so what makes them irrelevant?

By limiting the entries to those who subscribe to the magazine. Just like any other magazine, the subscribers are like minded and continue to subscribe to the magazine because they agree with the material printed.

If that were true, then why are the general trends in reliability nearly the same between CR and JD? You're trying to discredit them simply because you find fault with their sampling method - but you have no proof that their sampling method is actually skewing the real results. If it were, what explains the parallelism between CR and JDP?

They are not the same. Some are similar but some are WAY different.

AdamK47 and I have already shown CR's is flawed. Let alone there "recall" they just had for a "study" and so forth. CR is not worth the paper it is printed on. They have shown their opinion in to many "studys" to be viewed as anything but a Fox type reporter.

 

[Zenmervolt]

There is more to a car than reliability. I've driven Japanese cars, German cars, American cars, and Swedish cars. You can see from my sig where I've settled. The cars that CR rates the worst for reliability (European) are the ones I tend to like the most (though there will _always_ be a soft spot in my heart for good ol' American Muscle Cars).

ZV

 

[spidey07]

Consumer Reports has always been a bunch of BS.

JD powers is the only respected measuring stick for reliability. Japs are falling (difficult to keep up quality when you're making more than 3 cars) and american cars are taking over.