2006 Elections

cwjerome

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The Dems seem to be licking their chops in anticipation of the major elections next year. I have to wonder if this attitude is just a bit delusional... but I also know there's some justification for such thinking.

The Reps are at a low point right now, but I would argue it's not as low as many of the pundits place them. I believe too much is being read into the recent state and local elections. Yes it was better news for the Dems than the Reps, yet they didn't really GAIN anything... just simply holding onto what they had. I suppose when faced with recent history, that might indeed be news to celebrate for the Dems ;)

A big question is, will the Reps get their act in order in 1 year's time? That will determine a lot, although frankly, it's hard to see a major turnaround within that relatively short period of time. Iraq probably won't be cause for poll boosts. The economy is doing very well, so it's doubtful there'll be any additional economic election boost. Where will the Reps get their boost?

IMO, there will be no boost unless the Right regains their principles and there nerve. Although I hope this might happen, I'm not optimistic. When times are tough, there's often a tendency to veer towards the mythical "center", but that's not the way Reps win elections. They need to motivate their base, as they have done before with the social conservatives, but this time they need to energize the economic conservatives. This would take discipline and be somewhat painful... which is why I'm not sure they are up to the challenge.

It will be interesting to see if the Dems can capitalize. Just being an alternative could give the Dems wins. But from the looks of things right now, they seem believe that beating up Reps is sufficient (which is the easiest strategy, but the one least likely to work), rather than offering a real agenda change as Reps did with the Contract With America.

This leads to another question. There are deep fissures within the Dem party, so I have to wonder, IS a real agenda even possible? Wait a minute... is an agenda even needed? Sometimes in politics, it's good enough to just be the other guy. The American people sometimes tire of the same people governing and want a change, even if it's just a change of person, or party.

My prediction is moderate gain in the Senate (maybe +1 Dem) and the House (maybe +4 Dem), but nothing major, and Reps will maintain control. The simple fact is, there's only so many seat up, and of those, only a few plan to be competitive. That's just the political reality. I think we'll have to wait until 08 to really see any significant shifts.

What do you say?

 

Polish3d

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Good analysis, I generally agree, about economic conservatism in particular, that will make or break my vote for either them, or the libertarian party
 

MicroChrome

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Time will tell...But being how repubs are doing so poorly ... Why keep voting for a sinking ship?
 

Agnostos Insania

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Jesus will rise from the dead and run as Independant, being the first biblical figure to win the Nevada senate race in over 20 years.
 

Jamie571

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Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Jesus will rise from the dead and run as Independant, being the first biblical figure to win the Nevada senate race in over 20 years.

Mocking religion, any religion is a disgrace. Your life has to suck.

 

chowderhead

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I think OP's analysis is pretty good for being 1 year out. Still, LOTS of things will happen before next year's elections. SCOTUS nomination battle, , Iraq parliment vote, state of the union budget and tax fights, and some other legislation and things that we can't predict i.e. major capture of someone, etc.

I actually think the Democrats may pick up 2 maybe 3 seats in the Senate and a couple more in the House. Still, it is tough to say though I believe the Democrats have recruited better this cycle than the Republicans and for some reason, Senate races run in groups i.e. one party wins most of the close races.
Anyway, something missing in the OP's analysis are the governor's race. Here, the Democrats clearly have the advantage currently, one year out. They are likely to pick up NY and be VERY competitive in OH, CA, FL, MD, CO, AR, AK and MA (if Romney doesn't run). Republicans are currently competitive in IA, MI, and OK and maybe PA. Check the Cook Report on the governor's ratings and SUSA's 50 governor approval ratings.

Control of the governor position is importatnt as it offers organization and fundraising abilities to the party's nominee for President in the next Presidential. OH, FL, PA, MI, IA, CO are thus KEY races to watch.
 
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Originally posted by: chowderhead
I think OP's analysis is pretty good for being 1 year out. Still, LOTS of things will happen before next year's elections. SCOTUS nomination battle, , Iraq parliment vote, state of the union budget and tax fights, and some other legislation and things that we can't predict i.e. major capture of someone, etc.

I actually think the Democrats may pick up 2 maybe 3 seats in the Senate and a couple more in the House. Still, it is tough to say though I believe the Democrats have recruited better this cycle than the Republicans and for some reason, Senate races run in groups i.e. one party wins most of the close races.
Anyway, something missing in the OP's analysis are the governor's race. Here, the Democrats clearly have the advantage currently, one year out. They are likely to pick up NY and be VERY competitive in OH, CA, FL, MD, CO, AR, AK and MA (if Romney doesn't run). Republicans are currently competitive in IA, MI, and OK and maybe PA. Check the Cook Report on the governor's ratings and SUSA's 50 governor approval ratings.

Control of the governor position is importatnt as it offers organization and fundraising abilities to the party's nominee for President in the next Presidential. OH, FL, PA, MI, IA, CO are thus KEY races to watch.

Not a bad assessment overall... But trust me... AK is not in play for the Dems where the Governorship is concerned. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Murkowski won't be the governor in '08. He is universally disliked by both sides. There is no viable Dem to take his place. It will be Binkley or Seekins. And my bet is that whoever loses that race between the two of them will wind up with Ted Stevens' Senate seat should he decide to retire.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: chowderhead
I think OP's analysis is pretty good for being 1 year out. Still, LOTS of things will happen before next year's elections. SCOTUS nomination battle, , Iraq parliment vote, state of the union budget and tax fights, and some other legislation and things that we can't predict i.e. major capture of someone, etc.

I actually think the Democrats may pick up 2 maybe 3 seats in the Senate and a couple more in the House. Still, it is tough to say though I believe the Democrats have recruited better this cycle than the Republicans and for some reason, Senate races run in groups i.e. one party wins most of the close races.
Anyway, something missing in the OP's analysis are the governor's race. Here, the Democrats clearly have the advantage currently, one year out. They are likely to pick up NY and be VERY competitive in OH, CA, FL, MD, CO, AR, AK and MA (if Romney doesn't run). Republicans are currently competitive in IA, MI, and OK and maybe PA. Check the Cook Report on the governor's ratings and SUSA's 50 governor approval ratings.

Control of the governor position is importatnt as it offers organization and fundraising abilities to the party's nominee for President in the next Presidential. OH, FL, PA, MI, IA, CO are thus KEY races to watch.

Romney will probably stay, although most are wondering about 2008.
 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Good analysis, I generally agree, about economic conservatism in particular, that will make or break my vote for either them, or the libertarian party

Yeah, I know a lot of people who are fed up with the spending and general economic intrusion. This is a large segment of the Right that needs to be heard and it's foolish for those in power to take their support for granted.

You got two basic problems, exemplified by Rick Santorum. He's weak and pathetic, changing his tune and basically squandering his convictions as he scrambles to "go middle" in a heated battle with a challenger. This IS NOT the way the conservative movement, especially it's political "leaders," should act and it won't help in an election.

Second, he represents a faction that is basically stupid. It seems to me, he's less concerned about economic strength and national security than making sure gays burn at the stake. I get the impression if he had to choose one thing for this country, it's that gays would die slowly in a fire. In other words, his priorities (and principles) are completly out of whack.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: Frackal
Good analysis, I generally agree, about economic conservatism in particular, that will make or break my vote for either them, or the libertarian party

Yeah, I know a lot of people who are fed up with the spending and general economic intrusion. This is a large segment of the Right that needs to be heard and it's foolish for those in power to take their support for granted.

You got two basic problems, exemplified by Rick Santorum. He's weak and pathetic, changing his tune and basically squandering his convictions as he scrambles to "go middle" in a heated battle with a challenger. This IS NOT the way the conservative movement, especially it's political "leaders," should act and it won't help in an election.

Second, he represents a faction that is basically stupid. It seems to me, he's less concerned about economic strength and national security than making sure gays burn at the stake. I get the impression if he had to choose one thing for this country, it's that gays would die slowly in a fire. In other words, his priorities (and principles) are completly out of whack.

Aye, which is why I feel Romney will be here to stay in 06. His goal was financial responsibility, which is has both set out to do and has done. Sure, there are still problems, but he isn't running around like Santorum. There is also the difference between a Senator and a Governor, of course, but in general, the priorities should still be there. And people like Santorum have their priorities in the wrong place. Xenophobia only gets you so far in an election.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Jamie571
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Jesus will rise from the dead and run as Independant, being the first biblical figure to win the Nevada senate race in over 20 years.
Mocking religion, any religion is a disgrace. Your life has to suck.
Why? A disgrace to who?
 

jlmadyson

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Not much will change. Possibly, a few seats will change hands but I don't foresee any major shifts.
 

SparkyJJO

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Originally posted by: MicroChrome
Time will tell...But being how repubs are doing so poorly ... Why keep voting for a sinking ship?

A sinking ship can still be salvaged. Why vote for the dems already sunk ship? ;)
 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Originally posted by: MicroChrome
Time will tell...But being how repubs are doing so poorly ... Why keep voting for a sinking ship?

A sinking ship can still be salvaged.

My hopes and thoughts, exactly.

Mind you I don't necessarily believe the ship is sinking, but there is a chance, and it never hurts to keep debate alive and keep the movement strong. Keeping it alive and strong REQUIRES honesty and plenty of criticism. This is partly why I believe the conservatives and our ideas have gained followers and power over the last 25 years. But if we lose that honesty and ability to self-criticize -like many seem to be doing- then ground will be lost.

 

NeoV

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If the Dems can't take the Ohio governor position, they might as well give up after the complete mess that has been Taft's reign in office.

I do have to ask, though, if you really think that the "Contract With America" was anything other than a nice slogan?
 

Moonbeam

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Perambulating the possible parameters of potentially predictable probabilities predicated on prognostications placed far in the future, and given the finite illuminative potential of my rather pathetic proficiency and potency in the controlling the plethora of vicissitudinous and, I might add, chaotic concatenations that might ensue, I think I'll play possum and posit that any attempts by others to do strike me as nothing but prestidigitation and pusillanimous musings.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Perambulating the possible parameters of potentially predictable probabilities predicated on prognostications placed far in the future, and given the finite illuminative potential of my rather pathetic proficiency and potency in the controlling the plethora of vicissitudinous and, I might add, chaotic concatenations that might ensue, I think I'll play possum and posit that any attempts by others to do strike me as nothing but prestidigitation and pusillanimous musings.
Yeah, I'll jsut wait and see what happens as well.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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It will be a good year for the Dems. They'll pick up a few seats in the Senate and House, while retaining the ones they already have.

I don't think the American people see the Republican party as being salvagable right now, especially with Bush in office. Dems need to capitalize on this though, it's hard to imagine when they'll get another chance like this in the near future.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Jesus will rise from the dead and run as Independant, being the first biblical figure to win the Nevada senate race in over 20 years.
Jesus wouldn't stand a chance in American politics. He'd quickly be labeled an anti-capitalist (just look how he treated those money-changers at the Temple). And the "Jordan River Swift-Boaters for Biblical Truth" would produce claimed historical documents showing that John's alleged baptism of Jesus was in fact a homosexual encounter, with lots of "water sports".
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Jesus will rise from the dead and run as Independant, being the first biblical figure to win the Nevada senate race in over 20 years.
Jesus wouldn't stand a chance in American politics. He'd quickly be labeled an anti-capitalist (just look how he treated those money-changers at the Temple). And the "Jordan River Swift-Boaters for Biblical Truth" would produce claimed historical documents showing that John's alleged baptism of Jesus was in fact a homosexual encounter, with lots of "water sports".
:laugh:
 

Genx87

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I think for once if a 3rd party got their act together they could take some seats in this country.

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think for once if a 3rd party got their act together they could take some seats in this country.
And therein lies the problem... ;)

I know, does the libertarian party go after senate seats? It seems like I never see them in off year elections and only at presidential elections. It seems like they are going about gaining power the wrong way. Build up from the bottom, that way if you manage to capture the presidency down the road you have people in congress to help you.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think for once if a 3rd party got their act together they could take some seats in this country.
And therein lies the problem... ;)

I know, does the libertarian party go after senate seats? It seems like I never see them in off year elections and only at presidential elections. It seems like they are going about gaining power the wrong way. Build up from the bottom, that way if you manage to capture the presidency down the road you have people in congress to help you.

Actually the LP has more elected officials in office than any other 3rd party, if I'm not mistaken. Granted, they are mostly low-profile positions, but nonetheless, they are following your "build from the bottom" plan exactly. Every legitimate 3rd party need a presidential candidate in the election, whether it's a truly serious bid or not.