2006 Audio Emerges of Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestinian Election

[UglyCasanova]

“I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake,” said Sen. Clinton. “And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”

http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-au...clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/


Frickin Russians meddling in elections...

 

[brycejones]

meh

 

[Jaskalas]

That sort of influence is at least better than the use of force to try and achieve those ends.

 

[sdifox]

Welcome to American Foreign Policy SOP.

 

[theeedude]

Is that the election Hamas ended up winning? I can see why she would prefer a different outcome.

 

[ivwshane]

http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-au...clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/


Frickin Russians meddling in elections...

You apparently don't know what the word "proposing" means. Discussing something after the fact isn't a proposal.

 

[dainthomas]

http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-au...clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/


Frickin Russians meddling in elections...

I'm waiting for the part where I'm supposed to be outraged.

 

[Ken g6]

You apparently don't know what the word "proposing" means. Discussing something after the fact isn't a proposal.

That's issue #1 with this accusation.

Issue #2 is that it was couched in a conditional: If we were going to push for an election, which we shouldn't have done in the first place, then...

Issue #3 is that "determine" can mean two different things. It could mean pre-determining the outcome, but it could also mean simply attempting to figure out what the outcome would be. For example, polling data helps the reader "determine" what the outcome of an election will be.

 

[theeedude]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006

Elections for the second Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC), the legislature of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), were held on 25 January 2006. The result was a victory for Hamas, who won with 74 seats of the 132 seats, whilst the ruling Fatah won just 45.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's issue #1 with this accusation.

Issue #2 is that it was couched in a conditional: If we were going to push for an election, which we shouldn't have done in the first place, then...

Issue #3 is that "determine" can mean two different things. It could mean pre-determining the outcome, but it could also mean simply attempting to figure out what the outcome would be. For example, polling data helps the reader "determine" what the outcome of an election will be.

Too easy for the Hillary haters. They'll pounce on anything tending to confirm their bias. If we wanted to split the Pals into Fatah on the West Bank & Hamas in Gaza then we played it right. If not, we shouldn't have pushed for elections. The Israelis love the outcome, obviously. It's simple divide & conquer.

 

[ivwshane]

I guess the OP was too busy with the other thread to show his face in here again.
/s

 

[IronWing]

I guess the OP was too busy with the other thread to show his face in here again.
/s

The thread serves his purpose which is to place the words Clinton, Rigging, and Election into a thread title.

 

[SP33Demon]

We have been rigging foreign elections for years, so no surprise. Especially coming out of the mouth of clinton who has probably helped fix many elections over her career. Damning audio. Of course the shitlib echo chamber here isn't fazed. They prefer to let the government keep raising taxes and eroding their wealth like good little sheep who want a shepherd to protect them. lmao

 

[hal2kilo]

http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-au...clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/


Frickin Russians meddling in elections...

Oh my god! She used the word influence. That doesn't mean what I think you think it means.

 

[SP33Demon]

Oh my god! She used the word influence. That doesn't mean what I think you think it means.

Except she didn't say influence. She said “And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.” Doing something to determine a certain party wins sure sounds like election rigging to me.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'll say it again, I'm fine with messing with others (not friends of ours) Elections. I'm not fine with someone else messing with our election(s). I know its hypocritical but I don't care.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Except she didn't say influence. She said “And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.” Doing something to determine a certain party wins sure sounds like election rigging to me.

You seem to not be seeing the words "if" and "should have". Perhaps a reading disability? There are things you can do for that.

 

[Sonikku]

We have been rigging foreign elections for years, so no surprise. Especially coming out of the mouth of clinton who has probably helped fix many elections over her career. Damning audio. Of course the shitlib echo chamber here isn't fazed. They prefer to let the government keep raising taxes and eroding their wealth like good little sheep who want a shepherd to protect them. lmao

Feels like we've been rigging our own for years as well. "Super" delegates, coin flips, super pacs, gerrymandering, electoral college etc. It feels like democracy everywhere is slowly but surely beginning to crumble.

 

[ivwshane]

You seem to not be seeing the words "if" and "should have". Perhaps a reading disability? There are things you can do for that.

Lol! Like what? Workout mentally? Like try and exercise his brain? Pft mental workouts are for nerds!

 

[Jhhnn]

Feels like we've been rigging our own for years as well. "Super" delegates, coin flips, super pacs, gerrymandering, electoral college etc. It feels like democracy everywhere is slowly but surely beginning to crumble.

Oh, please.

Superdelgates have always endorsed the primary winner.

Coin flips at the precinct level in caucus states don't change a damned thing. Iowa uses them to resolve ties.

Superpacs are just a different way for big money to influence politics. It was a total free for all in the 1800's-

http://www.infoplease.com/us/history/campaign-finance-reform-timeline.html

The term Gerrymandering was coined in 1812.

The electoral college has been part of the Constitution since its inception. Results contrary to the popular vote have really only occurred 4 times, once in the HOR-

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/presidents-winning-without-popular-vote/

The sky isn't falling. The Republic will likely survive.

 

[JSt0rm]

This means she is going to rig our election.

 

[thesmokingman]

Lol! Like what? Workout mentally? Like try and exercise his brain? Pft mental workouts are for nerds!

Yea, that's probably not gonna do any good.

 

[1sikbITCH]

The US has been rigging elections and undermining other governments since the 1900s. Go read about Reagan and the Contra Revolution for an easy one. Iran 1970s is another.

Get with the program here, this will continue whether it's Trump or Clinton. It's what we do.

 

[SP33Demon]

The US has been rigging elections and undermining other governments since the 1900s. Go read about Reagan and the Contra Revolution for an easy one. Iran 1970s is another.

Get with the program here, this will continue whether it's Trump or Clinton. It's what we do.

Yes, except Trump isn't stupid enough to get caught on tape saying it. She's a fucking idiot.

 

[sdifox]

Yes, except Trump isn't stupid enough to get caught on tape saying it. She's a fucking idiot.

You are right. There are no Trump tapes where he indicts himself.