2005FPW vs. 2405FPW - 2005FPW wins.

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anandemide

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gustep,

which settings did you change from default on that menu? I'm a bit scared of fiddling with that tbh :p

Btw, did anybody find that their screens arrived calibrated with a bias towards green (the sRGB setting)?
 

imported_douglas

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The "red sheen" that people are mentioning on the 2005fpw is a characteristic of the S-IPS panel. When viewed from an angle, black areas will have a purple sheen to them. All 2005fpw's will be the same. I'm not too familiar with the 2405fpw, but if it uses a PVA panel, then it will not have this purple sheen, but it probably will have slower response time than an IPS panel.

Everyone should read this great article about the characteristics of different types of LCD panels:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.html
 

screw3d

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Originally posted by: douglas
The "red sheen" that people are mentioning on the 2005fpw is a characteristic of the S-IPS panel. When viewed from an angle, black areas will have a purple sheen to them. All 2005fpw's will be the same. I'm not too familiar with the 2405fpw, but if it uses a PVA panel, then it will not have this purple sheen, but it probably will have slower response time than an IPS panel.

Everyone should read this great article about the characteristics of different types of LCD panels:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.html

The 2005fpw is a S-IPS panel?? :Q Damnit :|
 

dejacky

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koitsu,
I'd really wish you would respond to these other aspects people have mentioned...I'm curious to know these answers as well.
 

Lovah

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Did you do the backlight leakage test on bouth monitors? What is the outcome of that?
 

Originally posted by: Ackmed
As always, its an opinion. Which is better is subjective. More people like the 2405FPW, versus the 2005FPW, though.

You should have ended this with "neener neener neener..."


OP, great review and kudos for the good attitude in the face of some of the responses.
 

Jasin2069

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Just wanted to know if someone can post screen dimensions as well as viewable dimensions... All I found are full dimensions, like height with stand. Just want Vertical Horizontal and Diagonal for both.
 

HN

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Originally posted by: Jasin2069
Just wanted to know if someone can post screen dimensions as well as viewable dimensions... All I found are full dimensions, like height with stand. Just want Vertical Horizontal and Diagonal for both.
does this help?
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Lovah
Did you do the backlight leakage test on bouth monitors? What is the outcome of that?

There is no leakage on the 2405, just the 2005.

Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: Ackmed
As always, its an opinion. Which is better is subjective. More people like the 2405FPW, versus the 2005FPW, though.

You should have ended this with "neener neener neener..."


OP, great review and kudos for the good attitude in the face of some of the responses.

And sink to your level? No thanks.

btw, if you actually read the thread, it was user error on his part. He used the wrong cable, now he thinks its better.

 

Vallybally

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Does anyone think (or tried) using a top of the line DVI cable to see if it makes even more improvement? Like one of those $100+ Monster cables or whatever?

Also, is there a poll out there saying what % of ppl hear a humming noise from their 2405? I am curious if it's a quality control issue, if all of them have this issue, or if it's merely user perception.
 

Ronin

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I don't think you're going to see that much of a difference. With the proper cable, the 2405 works flawlessly (for me, anyway), and I've heard no sound whatsoever come out of my monitor.
 

Peter

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No improvement from "better" cables. DVI is a digital signal - it either gets to the destination or doesn't, no inbetweens. If you get a stable picture on the monitor at all, then it's inherently also 100% of what the graphics card sent.
 

Gamingphreek

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Like one of those $100+ Monster cables or whatever?

No, Monster Cables are a waste of money. But, if you really want to get rid of that $100 you can send it to me :p

-Kevin
 

Parkre

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I have had my 2405 for two weeks, it's bright white (no creme), plays BF2 flawlessly albeit 16x12, I love it. no humming. Those little leprechauns are amazing.....


 

spiroh

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I just purchased my 2405 last week and even though I do get the humming noise that doesnt bother me. I'm coming from a 21" CRT and have noticed an increase in screen-tearing. Without VSync on it is really bothersome. Do you guys get that as well? Anything that you do to minimize screen-tearing? I have a 7800GTX.
 

knyghtbyte

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Originally posted by: Hadsus
Sounds like there's a possibility that the 2405 was defective. After all, itsa Dell which is not renowned for quality control.


now be fair, dell ships in far greater volumes than other companies, so they are bound to show up more problems..........from what i've seen/heard over the years tho, the best bet when buying a Dell is to go with the system i've got, the 2nd from top end, it seems to have good solid components in every respect and breaks down the least, they seem to have more teething troubles with their cheapest and their most expensive line....

for the OP, as others have said, check your ressy is native first, if it is then make sure your graphics card isnt barely, hanging on by the fingers managing to hit that ressy, if it is then its likely to run poorer quality on that set, those extra 4 inches are quite a lot...lol, then finally if your card is suitably powerful, swap the monitor for another unit, yours might just be a bit fooked up......most people i've spoke to who've braved forking out the cash have been more than pleased.......me personally, im forking out for a projector with a 7ft screen...heh...i only need me 19in to surf on, but 7ft for gaming will rock!!!
;-)

edit: crap, didnt notice there was more than page 1 on the thread...lol....cant be arsed reading the rest, if this got sorted, sweet beans....
 

Parkre

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Originally posted by: spiroh
I just purchased my 2405 last week and even though I do get the humming noise that doesnt bother me. I'm coming from a 21" CRT and have noticed an increase in screen-tearing. Without VSync on it is really bothersome. Do you guys get that as well? Anything that you do to minimize screen-tearing? I have a 7800GTX.

If I am thinking of the same thing, then yes, occasionally i do. Usually if I am in a turret atop a vehicle with someone else driving.

 

ChuckHsiao

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Originally posted by: Jasin2069
Just wanted to know if someone can post screen dimensions as well as viewable dimensions... All I found are full dimensions, like height with stand. Just want Vertical Horizontal and Diagonal for both.


The screen and viewable dimensions are practically identical for LCDs (there's only a tiny gap between the viewable part and the bezel of the LCD). The viewable dimensions can be calculated from the dot pitch (the horizontal as well as vertical distance per pixel for LCDs) and the resolution of the monitor:

2001FP
Resolution: 1600 x 1200
Dot pitch: 0.255 mm
Width: 408.0 mm (16.06")
Height: 306.0 mm (12.05")
Diagonal: 510.0 mm (20.08")

2005FPW
Resolution: 1680 x 1050
Dot pitch: 0.258 mm
Width: 433.4 mm (17.06")
Height: 270.9 mm (10.67")
Diagonal: 511.1 mm (20.12")

2405FPW
Resolution: 1920 x 1200
Dot pitch: 0.270 mm
Width: 518.4 mm (20.41")
Height: 324.0 mm (12.76")
Diagonal: 611.3 mm (24.07")

Hope this helps.
 

DidlySquat

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Originally posted by: koitsu
News for those following this thread, and my comments:

My replacement arrived today (I still have to figure out how to get the old one back to Dell, supposedly there was an airbill shipped with it, or something along those lines, for the return -- no such thing found anywhere. Doh!), and I took the liberty of disconnecting my 2005FPW and therefore putting two 2405FPWs side-by-side for comparison.

Since my video card doesn't do dual DVI (just DVI + VGA d-sub), I stuck one on each port. In this case, the replacement on the VGA, and the one I had problems with on the DVI. I also reset the monitors to Factory Defaults, and additionally (on the VGA display only) chose "Auto Adjust" in the Image Settings menu (needed to detect better phase).

Sadly, I found that both monitors looked exactly the same in quality; same issues: white looking creme-coloured, sharpness looking like that of a CRT (I don't care what people say, CRTs always have some weird-looking pixel phase problems which make fonts look blurry), and so on. In fact, the replacement had a lit pixel to boot. Doh!

I started thinking about what everyone here said, re: their 2405FPWs being absolutely gorgeous, fantastic sharpness, etc.. I myself have really bad eyes (nearsighted), so I knew it wasn't just a personal preference, since chances are people with better eyes than mine are the ones who're telling me "there's something wrong with your setup because ours here looks great". Chances were, something WAS wrong with my setup, especially with two monitors doing the same thing. I decided to run through the procedure again, re-connecting cables and all that.

The only thing I found was that for DVI, I was using the DVI cable that came with my 2005FPW -- NOT the DVI cable that came with the 2405FPWs. I assumed they were identical.

I swapped the 2005FPW DVI cable for one of the cables which came with the 2405FPWs.

SURPRISE! Everything now looks *AMAZINGLY* crisp (as someone mentioned, literally on par with the 2005FPW), and the "yellow white" has decreased in intensive severely (my guess is that I can get rid of it entirely adjusting the colour settings in the OSD (which I had to do on my 2005FPW too, but on that because everything was too bright, haha).

I moved the DVI cable over to the other 2405FPW (the first one I received), and voila, just as sharp + beautiful.

Prognosis: the DVI cable that comes with the 2005FPW might not be able to handle the higher frequency/bandwidth of a 1920x1200 monitor. I thought it might be noise or shielding related, but here's the kicker: the DVI cable for my 2005FPW is almost 2x as thick as the one for my 2405FPW, implying more shielding for the 2005FPW. I'm not sure what to think of that, but hey, whatever. :)

The replacement I received from Dell will be going back to them (rather than sending them back the original unit they sent me; I'll have to talk to support about this, since they asked for and check serial numbers, which obviously won't match), since it has a lit pixel. No sense in keeping the one with a lit pixel defect when the other one is perfect, heh. :)

Moral of the story: user error (as it usually is). I take full responsibility for my claims being false, but somewhat justified under the circumstances.

Consider it educational for future users: if you're using DVI and "upgrading" to a 2405FPW, be sure to swap your DVI cable out for the one that comes with your new monitor. It DOES matter!

Thanks everyone for putting up with me. ;-)


User error, great, now all is well right ? because you have other people to pay for your errors. Not only did you cause confusion with your histerical thread here, but all the extra shipping of the second monitor, opening it, and now dell needs to repackage it - is out of someone else's pocket.

People like you, which are fairly smart and knowledgeable, but tend to think they know better and end up making n00b mistakes because they don't follow the simple direction ("I don't need instructions") - should at least pay for your own mistakes. If I was dell, I would charge you the cost of shipping and a restocking fee for the trouble you caused because of your own error (no real defect with the monitor).

A case of RTFM gone wrong, causing significant expenses (but not for the OP)
 

DidlySquat

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I really hope dell goes after this guy (with a vengence) to recoup their costs caused by his "user error"
 

speg

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Whoa guys, easy there. He is returning a defective monitor, no problem there. Kudos to the OP for coming back and being cool, not to mention fixing his problem. (Although a quick update in the first post would help) Isn't it great when we can all come together like this? :p

Now then, time to wait for a 2405 sale! :D
 

mrphones

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Originally posted by: DidlySquat
I really hope dell goes after this guy (with a vengence) to recoup their costs caused by his "user error"

LOL....go after with a vegence? You really think you will end up paying for his mistake? If so you need a reality check... By Dell sending him a new monitor in lamens business terms is called "Cost of doing business"

Funny how he used his 2005FPW cable, I did the same thing when my 2405FPW arrived the other day and it looks fine...

DidlySquat,

You need to go out and get a hug.. :D