2005 RL specs

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300HP 3.5L V-6

AWD (VTM4)

Aluminum body parts, including hood, roof, trunklid

Sized larger than 5-series/E-class, but smaller than 7-series/S-class. Perhaps to be positioned against Lexus GS or Infiniti M45.

"Smartkey" for door, ignition, and trunk

Sportshift with steering wheel mounted "paddle" controls

Adaptive headlights (move with the steering)

Adaptive cruise control

Power rear seats

"Stunning" interior

 

[loup garou]

Cool. I want to know when they're going to redo the CL though.

 

[NFS4]

AWD (VTM4)

So in otherwords, FWD until the rear slips. NEXXXXXXXXXXXXXT

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

 

[gregshin]

acura needs to wake up and smell the V8's

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

LOL so true. The M45 and next-gen GS430 will kill this lame duck. RWD + V8 kills V6 + FWD

GS430 (1) (2) (Interior)

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

 

[gregshin]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

doesnt matter about gas mileage when you spend over $45k on luxo cars....you will be the laughing stock of the country club cuz you only get honda with a V6 motor....when playing with the big boys you need a big engine in american to compete

 

[Doggiedog]

Hmm what an interesting way of getting around the FWD argument.

Too bad Acura's AWD is still FWD in disguise.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

You can't have luxury with a 3.5 liter V6 in a flagship sedan. Hell, even Lexus' mid-level sedan gets a V8.

BMW V8's: 5-Series, 7-Series
Mercedes V8's: C-Class, E-Class, S-Class
Audi V8's: A6, A8
Lexus V8's: GS430, LS430
Infiniti V8's: M45, Q45
Jaguar V8's: S-Type, XJ

Honda V8's: **CRICKETS CHIRPING**

 

[Aharami]

as long as im not filthy rich (i.e. can afford a porsche or a ferrari) i will always care what kinda mileage my car gives. i would want the power available so that if i do decide to stomp on it, i can take off...but also i wouldnt want my car to be giving 18 mpg when im cruising on the highway.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Aharami
as long as im not filthy rich (i.e. can afford a porsche or a ferrari) i will always care what kinda mileage my car gives. i would want the power available so that if i do decide to stomp on it, i can take off...but also i wouldnt want my car to be giving 18 mpg when im cruising on the highway.

If that's the case, stick with your V6 "flagship luxury" sedans. But in America, luxury sedans = V8 power. The same way you don't show up to a full-size half-ton pickup fight without a V8, you don't show up to luxury sedan match without a V8 or larger.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

You can't have luxury with a 3.5 liter V6 in a flagship sedan. Hell, even Lexus' mid-level sedan gets a V8.

BMW V8's: 5-Series, 7-Series
Mercedes V8's: C-Class, E-Class, S-Class
Audi V8's: A6, A8
Lexus V8's: GS430, LS430
Infiniti V8's: M45, Q45
Jaguar V8's: S-Type, XJ

Honda V8's: **CRICKETS CHIRPING**

When honda does put out a v8 everyone better watch out. I'm a Nissan Whore by nature, but honda can(but usually doesn't) make some damn fine engines.

 

[Howard]

Why do they go with AWD? It's more complex than a RWD setup... I'd rather have I6/V8 with RWD than V6 with AWD.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Howard
Why do they go with AWD? It's more complex than a RWD setup... I'd rather have I6/V8 with RWD than V6 with AWD.

B/C Honda is too cheap/stubborn to develop a seperate RWD platform for their flagship sedan. So instead, they take the Accord chassis, stretch it, and add VTM4 from the MDX so they can get away with calling it AWD instead of a FWD poser (which it still really is).

 

[gregshin]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

You can't have luxury with a 3.5 liter V6 in a flagship sedan. Hell, even Lexus' mid-level sedan gets a V8.

BMW V8's: 5-Series, 7-Series
Mercedes V8's: C-Class, E-Class, S-Class
Audi V8's: A6, A8
Lexus V8's: GS430, LS430
Infiniti V8's: M45, Q45
Jaguar V8's: S-Type, XJ

Honda V8's: **CRICKETS CHIRPING**

When honda does put out a v8 everyone better watch out. I'm a Nissan Whore by nature, but honda can(but usually doesn't) make some damn fine engines.

it will NEVER happen even within the next 10 years...they dont even have an experimental V8....it will cost them millions to get one designed and tested and ready for market

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

Not if it makes the same power. An S2000 gets about the same mileage as a Camaro Z28. Neglecting the insignificant increase in frictional losses that come from the V8's two additional cylinders, the V6 will need the same amount of fuel to make the same amount of power. Gasoline has a specific energy density. A V6 does not magically get more energy from the same amount of gasoline.

ZV

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: gregshin

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

You can't have luxury with a 3.5 liter V6 in a flagship sedan. Hell, even Lexus' mid-level sedan gets a V8.

BMW V8's: 5-Series, 7-Series
Mercedes V8's: C-Class, E-Class, S-Class
Audi V8's: A6, A8
Lexus V8's: GS430, LS430
Infiniti V8's: M45, Q45
Jaguar V8's: S-Type, XJ

Honda V8's: **CRICKETS CHIRPING**

When honda does put out a v8 everyone better watch out. I'm a Nissan Whore by nature, but honda can(but usually doesn't) make some damn fine engines.

it will NEVER happen even within the next 10 years...they dont even have an experimental V8....it will cost them millions to get one designed and tested and ready for market

Bah. I'll take one of the 2.65L turbo V8s they put into CART cars a few years ago So what if you need to spin 14k to get power. Sounds like fun!

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: gregshin

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

You can't have luxury with a 3.5 liter V6 in a flagship sedan. Hell, even Lexus' mid-level sedan gets a V8.

BMW V8's: 5-Series, 7-Series
Mercedes V8's: C-Class, E-Class, S-Class
Audi V8's: A6, A8
Lexus V8's: GS430, LS430
Infiniti V8's: M45, Q45
Jaguar V8's: S-Type, XJ

Honda V8's: **CRICKETS CHIRPING**

When honda does put out a v8 everyone better watch out. I'm a Nissan Whore by nature, but honda can(but usually doesn't) make some damn fine engines.

it will NEVER happen even within the next 10 years...they dont even have an experimental V8....it will cost them millions to get one designed and tested and ready for market

Honda's core has always been small engines and I think they will stay this way for awhile. Don't they have a partnership with GM for V8s?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

Not if it makes the same power. An S2000 gets about the same mileage as a Camaro Z28. Neglecting the insignificant increase in frictional losses that come from the V8's two additional cylinders, the V6 will need the same amount of fuel to make the same amount of power. Gasoline has a specific energy density. A V6 does not magically get more energy from the same amount of gasoline.

ZV

Not completely insignificant... There's also the matter of a lower surface area/volume ratio, assuming the same displacement, which means less heat is lost.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

Not if it makes the same power. An S2000 gets about the same mileage as a Camaro Z28. Neglecting the insignificant increase in frictional losses that come from the V8's two additional cylinders, the V6 will need the same amount of fuel to make the same amount of power. Gasoline has a specific energy density. A V6 does not magically get more energy from the same amount of gasoline.

ZV

Youre both wrong and right.

The difference between the V6 and V8 that make the same power is that the V6 is doing it at a higher RPM. It IS TRUE that while the V6 is making the same amount of HP as the V8 it is using near the same gasoline.. HOWEVER you forget that while the V6 is in the lower RPMs making far less HP that the V8 in low RPMS where vehicles usually are.. unless its a track car.. itll use MUCH less gasoline.. also a V6 weighs less than a v8 and it will take less power to overcome inertia.. therefor using less gasoline...

PWNAGE!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Honda has always been incredibly stubborn on the V-8 issue, which was taken to a slightly ridiculous extreme with the NSX. That is a great, underappreciated car in many regards, but the idea of an "exotic" mid-engine sports car with a V-6 still feels wrong to me. In a luxury car, the smoothness and torque of a V-8 make it preferable to even an excellent V-6 IMO (and I drive a VQ-powered Nissan).

 

[isekii]

Lexi's V8 is very light.
I think it's lighter than the 2JZ motor.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: isekii
Lexi's V8 is very light.
I think it's lighter than the 2JZ motor.

This is true but it is more due to current technology than anything else im sure. Is the engine all aluminum? Also how much power can the 4.3 handle? I doubt its as strong as a 2jz

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

they won't get the same smooth as butter torque curve, and they won't save on gas either.