2004 Honda Civic EX gets 31/38 vs LX 29/38, why?

[RossMAN]

Look at the 2004 Honda Civic's EPA Mileage Estimates/Capacities comparison.

Why does the EX automatic get 2 more MPG city vs the LX auto?

Is the EX VTEC and the LX is not?

 

[isekii]

does it really matter ?

i dont think the average consumer is gonna notice a difference.

plus when VTEC kicks in it eats more gas

 

[MercenaryForHire]

VTEC's the other way around I thought.

- M4H

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: isekii
does it really matter ?

i dont think the average consumer is gonna notice a difference.

plus when VTEC kicks in it eats more gas

No it doesn't really matter. If I were in the market for a car in this segment and found a great deal on a Civic EX I'd buy it.

But I'm just curious WHY???

 

[NutBucket]

For the Civic VTEC is optimized more for fuel economy. In other cars, like the Prelude, its optimized for power. Ah, so the LX doesn't have VTEC. Then yes, VTEC allows then engine to be more efficient in the lower end and still have some kick in the high end (115hp in the LX vs. 127 in the EX).

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: isekii
does it really matter ?

i dont think the average consumer is gonna notice a difference.

plus when VTEC kicks in it eats more gas

No it doesn't really matter. If I were in the market for a car in this segment and found a great deal on a Civic EX I'd buy it.

But I'm just curious WHY???

It's the VTEC y0. (And the switcharound was just the wack Canadian namings.)

In theory, if it works properly at adjusting the timing, more efficient detonation is a result.

- M4H

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: isekii
does it really matter ?

i dont think the average consumer is gonna notice a difference.

plus when VTEC kicks in it eats more gas

No it doesn't really matter. If I were in the market for a car in this segment and found a great deal on a Civic EX I'd buy it.

But I'm just curious WHY???

heh
curiosity killed the cat

but even with the amenities you get on the EX is well worth it over the LX.

 

[RagingBITCH]

I'd have to assume the p0wa of the vTeC like others have stated. I'm looking on Edmunds.com right now - same size engine, just the EX has more power.

 

[KEV1N]

In the case of the Civic.. I think that the EX is a better deal. Besides the fancy toys (moonroof, wheels, etc.) you also get ABS and as aforementioned, VTEC (if you care). My friend is going to buy an 04 EX Sedan next week and I got a dealer down to 15,995 + Tax + License for her. They can be had at less than invoice right now.

Personally, I bought an 04 Accord Coupe last month, and went with the LX V6 because the price jump to EX is larger than it is on the Civic.. making the LX the best Accord deal. However I really think you get a lot for your money with the EX Civic.

 

[geno]

Is the EX VTEC and the LX is not?

Honda, for some time, kept the VTEC motors specific to the EXs and the Si's

I believe they still do this.

 

[Justorq]

the EX (Si in Canada) is very nice ... my bro has a 2002 and i thoroughly enjoy driving this car !

Justin

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: isekii
does it really matter ?

i dont think the average consumer is gonna notice a difference.

plus when VTEC kicks in it eats more gas

No it doesn't really matter. If I were in the market for a car in this segment and found a great deal on a Civic EX I'd buy it.

But I'm just curious WHY???

It's the VTEC y0. (And the switcharound was just the wack Canadian namings.)

In theory, if it works properly at adjusting the timing, more efficient detonation is a result.

- M4H

Not only timing but the duration of valves opening/closing

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: isekii
does it really matter ?

i dont think the average consumer is gonna notice a difference.

plus when VTEC kicks in it eats more gas

No it doesn't really matter. If I were in the market for a car in this segment and found a great deal on a Civic EX I'd buy it.

But I'm just curious WHY???

It's the VTEC y0. (And the switcharound was just the wack Canadian namings.)

In theory, if it works properly at adjusting the timing, more efficient detonation is a result.

- M4H

Not only timing but the duration of valves opening/closing

Yeah, yeah, so I gave the layman's description of VTEC. Rub it in. Better than the riceboy description of "do0d VTECH is like a TURBOEZ and when u hitz the limiter its like NAWZ"

- M4H

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: isekii
does it really matter ?

i dont think the average consumer is gonna notice a difference.

plus when VTEC kicks in it eats more gas

No it doesn't really matter. If I were in the market for a car in this segment and found a great deal on a Civic EX I'd buy it.

But I'm just curious WHY???

It's the VTEC y0. (And the switcharound was just the wack Canadian namings.)

In theory, if it works properly at adjusting the timing, more efficient detonation is a result.

- M4H

Not only timing but the duration of valves opening/closing

Yeah, yeah, so I gave the layman's description of VTEC. Rub it in. Better than the riceboy description of "do0d VTECH is like a TURBOEZ and when u hitz the limiter its like NAWZ"

- M4H

At least I don't havea 3 foot VTEC sticker across my car after my motor swap I still want to read my service manual some and figure out how the timing part works out. I mean, its still a mechanical distributor so how much can you really vary the timing?

And don't forget,

VTEC= Variable Timing and Electronic Lift Control

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: NutBucket
At least I don't havea 3 foot VTEC sticker across my car after my motor swap I still want to read my service manual some and figure out how the timing part works out. I mean, its still a mechanical distributor so how much can you really vary the timing?

And don't forget,

VTEC= Variable Timing and Electronic Lift Control

don't hate, that decal gives me a +5 to my Reputation in NFS:Underground



- M4H

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: NutBucket
At least I don't havea 3 foot VTEC sticker across my car after my motor swap I still want to read my service manual some and figure out how the timing part works out. I mean, its still a mechanical distributor so how much can you really vary the timing?

And don't forget,

VTEC= Variable Timing and Electronic Lift Control

don't hate, that decal gives me a +5 to my Reputation in NFS:Underground



- M4H

LOL! I wouldn't touch that game with a 10 ft. pole. I'm gonna go smoke you wit my VTACK yo!!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: NutBucket
At least I don't havea 3 foot VTEC sticker across my car after my motor swap I still want to read my service manual some and figure out how the timing part works out. I mean, its still a mechanical distributor so how much can you really vary the timing?

And don't forget,

VTEC= Variable Timing and Electronic Lift Control

don't hate, that decal gives me a +5 to my Reputation in NFS:Underground



- M4H

LOL! I wouldn't touch that game with a 10 ft. pole. I'm gonna go smoke you wit my VTACK yo!!

According to the reviews, the whole "customization" bit is 95% choosing which decals to apply. Performance upgrades are done with a three-level system. Talk about a letdown.

- M4H

 

[Thegonagle]

First, remember what V-TEC does: It automatically switches the valvetrain back and forth between two different camshaft profiles while you drive. (This is is tantamount to an engine tuner "swapping the cams," except that it happens on the fly in about .03 seconds.)

Tuning is an art of compromise. Because V-TEC allows them to tune one cam profile for lower engine speeds, and the other for high engine speeds, they don't need to worry about how the low-speed cam will operate at 5000 RPM and vice-versa. The range of compromises they make must in tuning each cam profile is smaller, allowing them to bring you better low-end efficiency, and better high-end power.

In the non-VTEC engine, one cam profile has to serve for the full RPM range of the engine, so they DO need to worry about how the same cam that gives a nice smooth idle at 800 RPM is going to perform at 5000 RPM. The range compromises is wider, and in making those compromises, they weren't able eke out the best possible fuel economy, lest they compromise horsepower or something else.