2004 Chicago: Trucks are the stars at this year's show (Tacoma, Kia pickup, Frontier Crew, Dakota)

[NFS4]

2004 Chicago: Trucks are the stars at this year's show

The Tacoma is expected to be longer and wider than the current model, nearly the size of the Dodge Dakota pickup. A V-8 may be offered. Sales begin this fall.

Kia is saying that the Mojave pickup debuting in Chicago is a concept, but the Korean automaker will gauge public response carefully. Kia does not have the assembly space to produce the vehicle, but that could change if the response is overwhelmingly positive.

The four-wheel-drive Mojave is a body-on-frame truck developed off the automaker's rear-drive Sorento platform. The Sorento's wheelbase was stretched 12 inches to create the Mojave. The extended cab pickup concept has seats for five. The Mojave also has a door behind the rear seat that opens into the pickup bed, as does the Chevrolet Avalanche.

 

[Liviathan]

I'll be at the show on Saturday....will have pics up as soon as I get back.

 

[ElFenix]

nearly as big as a dakota? so the same size as the tundra?

lets see... toyota has a new compact truck, dodge will have one, nissan will have one, gm's is out... will ford ever redesign the ranger?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
nearly as big as a dakota? so the same size as the tundra?

lets see... toyota has a new compact truck, dodge will have one, nissan will have one, gm's is out... will ford ever redesign the ranger?

Umm, the Tundra double cab is LARGER than either the new F-150 Crew or Titan Crew inside and out and has a longer bed.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

I wonder if the Tacoma will have the new 4 liter V6.. that would be cool.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix
nearly as big as a dakota? so the same size as the tundra?

lets see... toyota has a new compact truck, dodge will have one, nissan will have one, gm's is out... will ford ever redesign the ranger?

Umm, the Tundra double cab is LARGER than either the new F-150 Crew or Titan Crew inside and out and has a longer bed.

great, the one new tundra model, how about the other hundreds of thousands they've sold?

 

[Eli]

Kia pickup you say? Interesting.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix
nearly as big as a dakota? so the same size as the tundra?

lets see... toyota has a new compact truck, dodge will have one, nissan will have one, gm's is out... will ford ever redesign the ranger?

Umm, the Tundra double cab is LARGER than either the new F-150 Crew or Titan Crew inside and out and has a longer bed.

great, the one new tundra model, how about the other hundreds of thousands they've sold?

obviously it was a success, so who cares.

 

[ElFenix]

and if anyone wants to talk about crew cabs the 250 is far bigger than the toyota double cab anyway.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix
nearly as big as a dakota? so the same size as the tundra?

lets see... toyota has a new compact truck, dodge will have one, nissan will have one, gm's is out... will ford ever redesign the ranger?

Umm, the Tundra double cab is LARGER than either the new F-150 Crew or Titan Crew inside and out and has a longer bed.

great, the one new tundra model, how about the other hundreds of thousands they've sold?

What's your point? Toyota doesn't currently have the capacity to build more than 100,000 Tundras...that's why they are building a NEW truck plant. Now if Toyota had the capacity to build 100,000 and was only selling 50,000, I could see your point. Otherwise, you're your talking gibberish

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
and if anyone wants to talk about crew cabs the 250 is far bigger than the toyota double cab anyway.

Umm, the 250 is a heavy duty truck. The F-150 Crew and Tundra DC are light duty trucks.

It'd be the same as comparing an RSX to a NSX

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix
and if anyone wants to talk about crew cabs the 250 is far bigger than the toyota double cab anyway.

Umm, the 250 is a heavy duty truck. The F-150 Crew and Tundra DC are light duty trucks.

It'd be the same as comparing an RSX to a NSX

not in texas it isn't

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix
and if anyone wants to talk about crew cabs the 250 is far bigger than the toyota double cab anyway.

Umm, the 250 is a heavy duty truck. The F-150 Crew and Tundra DC are light duty trucks.

It'd be the same as comparing an RSX to a NSX

not in texas it isn't

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4

great, the one new tundra model, how about the other hundreds of thousands they've sold?

What's your point? Toyota doesn't currently have the capacity to build more than 100,000 Tundras...that's why they are building a NEW truck plant. Now if Toyota had the capacity to build 100,000 and was only selling 50,000, I could see your point. Otherwise, you're your talking gibberish

my point was that the other hundreds of thousands are small in comparison to ford, gm, and dodge (and nissan). heck, i saw one parked right next to a dakota one day and it wasn't all that much bigger. i thought it was evident i was talking about the physical dimensions of the average toyota tundra (you know, the one with the 128.3" wheelbase, the only length offered until the last couple of months). it doesn't matter what the production capacity of toyota's plants are, the truck is still small.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix

It'd be the same as comparing an RSX to a NSX

not in texas it isn't

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

you obviously haven't been to texas

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

great, the one new tundra model, how about the other hundreds of thousands they've sold?

What's your point? Toyota doesn't currently have the capacity to build more than 100,000 Tundras...that's why they are building a NEW truck plant. Now if Toyota had the capacity to build 100,000 and was only selling 50,000, I could see your point. Otherwise, you're your talking gibberish

my point was that the other hundreds of thousands are small in comparison to ford, gm, and dodge (and nissan). heck, i saw one parked right next to a dakota one day and it wasn't all that much bigger. i thought it was evident i was talking about the physical dimensions of the average toyota tundra (you know, the one with the 128.3" wheelbase, the only length offered until the last couple of months). it doesn't matter what the production capacity of toyota's plants are, the truck is still small.

I'm sorry, I read your response wrong. Regardless, the "old" Tundra is larger than the Dakota, but smaller than the F-150's of the world. But that doesn't really matter because Toyota sells them all (up to their capacity point).

So like I said, your point is really moot because they sell everyone they make. If it was a problem for people, Toyota would sell far less than what their max capacity is.

 

[ElFenix]

its still small. thats my only point. and since it is small, its not moot

 

[Chadder007]

When the h3LL is Ford going to redesign the Ranger??? I guess they blew all the money on the F150's redesign so they couldn't do it?

 

[Chadder007]

Also I guess the Dakota won't look like the new Durango...
"Unlike today's pickup, the 2005 Dakota does not share the Durango's front fenders, grille, headlights and fascia. The front-end styling features a large, tall grille that draws on styling themes from the Ram pickup. The Dakota's interior looks richer than the 2004 model. "

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Also I guess the Dakota won't look like the new Durango...
"Unlike today's pickup, the 2005 Dakota does not share the Durango's front fenders, grille, headlights and fascia. The front-end styling features a large, tall grille that draws on styling themes from the Ram pickup. The Dakota's interior looks richer than the 2004 model. "

2005 Dakota

 

[Parrotheader]

So does this mean 'compact' pickups are going to become a thing of the past (assuming Ford updates the Ranger to the same size scale?) It looks like everything is getting bigger and bigger with no true 'compact' trucks anymore. The Tacoma is now bigger. Same with the Frontier. The Colorado is bigger than the S-10/Sonoma. And the Dakota has been a 'mid-sized' truck for quite some time. None of these are gigantic by any means (especially relative to the full size trucks these days), but it looks like everything's noticeably bigger and bulkier than it was just a couple of generations ago.

Maybe it's just me, but from an everyday driver and usability standpoint I always thought compact trucks were great vehicles for companies or people who truly needed hauling capacity on regular basis (especially in an urban setting where the better mileage and handling were useful), but didn't have ultra heavy hauling/towing needs like somebody working in construction. Light service industries like painters, cable/satellite/phone repair, pest control, etc. immediately come to mind.

 

[RU482]

on a side note....GM's attempt to make their vans look more "truck like" is pretty sad

Also, the 2005 Buick LaCrosse has some damn familiar lines...from the doors back it looks like an Oldsmobile Intrigue