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2003 Econosport Sedans Comparison Test [Neon SRT-4, MazdaSpeed Protege, SVT Focus, Sentra SE-R Spec V]
- Thread starter NFS4
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Angrymarshmello
Lifer
It seemed obvious the SRT4 would win out of the group - none of the other cars have the power that it does. Surprised the Protege came in 2nd though
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
Heh...Nissan got 0wned this time around.
However it going from first to last in a year tells us how good the current crop of pocket rockets are!
However it going from first to last in a year tells us how good the current crop of pocket rockets are!
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
I think the SRT-4 is the hottest car out there right now. And they are finally going to be sold in Canada in spring of 2004!!! WHEEEE!!
Corporate Thug
Lifer
it is insanely fast esp considering the price, evo is still my hot car although it is almost twice as much after dealer markup
If you live in CALI and want the best possible bang for the BUCK (while being CARB legal) <-- then go snag yourself an SRT-4 🙂
If you want something cheaper, and don't like the SRT-4 styling much - try the SPEC-V w/ a Turbo which outputs at around 250 WHP..
Check this DYNO Sheet out - 250 WHP @ 8 PSI
Spec-V = 17K + Turbo (3K) = 20K car that not only looks nice, handles nice, but has 250WHP 🙂
If you want something cheaper, and don't like the SRT-4 styling much - try the SPEC-V w/ a Turbo which outputs at around 250 WHP..
Check this DYNO Sheet out - 250 WHP @ 8 PSI
Spec-V = 17K + Turbo (3K) = 20K car that not only looks nice, handles nice, but has 250WHP 🙂
Some nerve mentioning muscle cars in the same breath with these POS. Great 1/4 mile ETs too.
Real cars and real 30 year old ETs
Real cars and real 30 year old ETs
NFS4
No Lifer
Originally posted by: Ornery
Some nerve mentioning muscle cars in the same breath with these POS. Great 1/4 mile ETs too.
Real cars and real 30 year old ETs
This coming from a man who thinks that a 220" long 70's era battlecruiser is "hip" 😉
Well hell, take the trend to its logical conclusion... even MORE fun!
Whoa, what is going on in that video? What is powering the go kart?
Chadder007
Diamond Member
If only it weren't a Dodge.....or a Neon at that....or front wheel drive... 😀
Crappopotamus
Golden Member
that srt-4 is ugly like a mofo. so is the focus. gah.
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: Ornery
Some nerve mentioning muscle cars in the same breath with these POS. Great 1/4 mile ETs too.
Real cars and real 30 year old ETs
Ornery, with all due respect, the cars out there today are far superior to any muscle car from the '60s-'70s. Now I love a muscle car, but not only for its performance. The cars today are faster, built better, safer, handle better, and brake better; on top of that, they drink less fuel as well and pollute less.
Your link proves my point. The fastest car in that link you showed me ran a 13.90s in a 1/4mi. I can show you a timeslip of a stock 2003 Maxima 6-spd that ran the same (although with a lower trap speed). Cars such as the EVOs and STis can outperform the muscle car of the '60s in every respect. The avg 1/4mi time on that link is around 15s, whihc is mostly from cars with engines bigger than 5Ls. A time of 15s in the 1/4mi is considered average today, when you have such pedestrian family cars such as the Accord, Maxima, Camry, TL, G35, etc.. all hitting 15s and lower straight from the factory.
You can call car's like the EVOs and STis and SRT4's all sorts of things sush as rice and boy-racerish and ugly and what not. But you cannot deny their performance levels. They simply outperform their predeccesors in every way.
However, I do agree they don't have the same aura that those cars such as the GTO or Camaro SS have. I mean just hearing a Chevelle SS at idle makes the hairs on your neck stand. Too bad it's slower than a Maxima SE or a Accord 6-spd.
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: Dragon365
Whoa, what is going on in that video? What is powering the go kart?
Either a Hayabusa motor or a GXR motor (i think).
Ed Hellwig of Edmunds is the one who chose to utter muscle car in the same breath with these go-karts, not me. After 30 years they haven't even equaled the ETs, let alone surpass them, and the comfort level has gone in the toilet. These Econosport toys would disintegrate on the rear bumper of an average muscle car. Yeah, but they can maneuver through pylons quicker. Wonderful. So can the gixxerkart, but I wouldn't mention it in the same sentence with a muscle car either.Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: Ornery
Some nerve mentioning muscle cars in the same breath with these POS. Great 1/4 mile ETs too.
Real cars and real 30 year old ETs
Ornery, with all due respect, the cars out there today are far superior to any muscle car from the '60s-'70s. Now I love a muscle car, but not only for its performance. The cars today are faster, built better, safer, handle better, and brake better; on top of that, they drink less fuel as well and pollute less.
Your link proves my point. The fastest car in that link you showed me ran a 13.90s in a 1/4mi. I can show you a timeslip of a stock 2003 Maxima 6-spd that ran the same (although with a lower trap speed). Cars such as the EVOs and STis can outperform the muscle car of the '60s in every respect. The avg 1/4mi time on that link is around 15s, whihc is mostly from cars with engines bigger than 5Ls. A time of 15s in the 1/4mi is considered average today, when you have such pedestrian family cars such as the Accord, Maxima, Camry, TL, G35, etc.. all hitting 15s and lower straight from the factory.
You can call car's like the EVOs and STis and SRT4's all sorts of things sush as rice and boy-racerish and ugly and what not. But you cannot deny their performance levels. They simply outperform their predeccesors in every way.
However, I do agree they don't have the same aura that those cars such as the GTO or Camaro SS have. I mean just hearing a Chevelle SS at idle makes the hairs on your neck stand. Too bad it's slower than a Maxima SE or a Accord 6-spd.
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: Ornery
Ed Hellwig of Edmunds is the one who chose to utter muscle car in the same breath with these go-karts, not me. After 30 years they haven't even equaled the ETs, let alone surpass them, and the comfort level has gone in the toilet. These Econosport toys would disintegrate on the rear bumper of an average muscle car. Yeah, but they can maneuver through pylons quicker. Wonderful. So can the gixxerkart, but I wouldn't mention it in the same sentence with a muscle car either.Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: Ornery
Some nerve mentioning muscle cars in the same breath with these POS. Great 1/4 mile ETs too.
Real cars and real 30 year old ETs
Ornery, with all due respect, the cars out there today are far superior to any muscle car from the '60s-'70s. Now I love a muscle car, but not only for its performance. The cars today are faster, built better, safer, handle better, and brake better; on top of that, they drink less fuel as well and pollute less.
Your link proves my point. The fastest car in that link you showed me ran a 13.90s in a 1/4mi. I can show you a timeslip of a stock 2003 Maxima 6-spd that ran the same (although with a lower trap speed). Cars such as the EVOs and STis can outperform the muscle car of the '60s in every respect. The avg 1/4mi time on that link is around 15s, whihc is mostly from cars with engines bigger than 5Ls. A time of 15s in the 1/4mi is considered average today, when you have such pedestrian family cars such as the Accord, Maxima, Camry, TL, G35, etc.. all hitting 15s and lower straight from the factory.
You can call car's like the EVOs and STis and SRT4's all sorts of things sush as rice and boy-racerish and ugly and what not. But you cannot deny their performance levels. They simply outperform their predeccesors in every way.
However, I do agree they don't have the same aura that those cars such as the GTO or Camaro SS have. I mean just hearing a Chevelle SS at idle makes the hairs on your neck stand. Too bad it's slower than a Maxima SE or a Accord 6-spd.
Come on Ornery, you're just grasping for straws now. I showed you the new cars run faster times, so your grabbing at ETs. I just gave one example of a muscle car having a high ET. The rest on that list had lower ones (in the mid 90s ot 80s MPH range), which is easily surprassed by the family cars of today, let alone the pocket rockets.
Comfort levels are subjective. I think these current crop of cars are more than comfortable. But then again I grew up with 800cc tin-box cars with 50hp packed with 5 people inside trying to go up a hill in 40C weather.
You know you want a ride in that Gixxerkart!! I know I sure do! I'm postive you'll get a bigger thrill from that Gixxerkart than you will from a muscle car (or any car for that matter).
Originally posted by: Ornery
Some nerve mentioning muscle cars in the same breath with these POS. Great 1/4 mile ETs too.
Real cars and real 30 year old ETs
go drive your land yacht and get out of here.. us who don't like slow, gigantic, gas guzzling lead sleds are trying to have a discussion 😀
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