2002 Cougar Serious Problem with Tranny?? -- History and symptoms in post

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akshatp

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Vehicle in question is a 2002 Cougar, 35th Anniversary Edition. I apologize in advance for the long post.

Before I get into the problem, I would like to go back a couple of months and a brief history, just in case these issues might be inter related.

First owners -- My wife bought the car new before we met, she had regular oil changes and service done, and since I took over it's been meticulously maintained (oil changes, tire rotation, brakes, air/cabin filter, etc) at all suggested intervals.

Car has been running fine for the last few years with no major issues. Back in June of this year, I was taking it through one of those high pressure automated car washes, when about halfway through the CEL came on and the car started "hiccuping" at idle and low speeds, which I eventually learned was a misfire. (I am assuming water got somewhere it shouldn't have) Turns out it was the ignition coil pack, got it replaced and the low idle/speed "hiccup" went away. After I got the car back, I noticed it now seemed to "hiccup/buck" or misfire at speeds of around 40-55, almost felt like it was gasping for air or gas. I noticed the CEL blink once or twice during the problem over a couple of weeks, but not the majority of the time. I was busy with work and was driving the car sparingly, and could not get it back to the shop for a few weeks. When I finally did take it back to where the coil pack was done, the code pull showed no errors, and the tech said he could not duplicate the problem. He probably didn't get on the highway like he said he did.

Of course, when I took it out on the highway going back home, the problem was still there so I figured I would go back in a few days and go for a ride with the tech, showing him the problem. That day never came.

The very next day, I was driving on a 2 lane highway doing around 45-50, my wife grabbed her bag from the back seat, and as she brought it forward knocked the gear shifter into N. I didn't notice it right away, and the engine revved to probably to 2 or 3k RPM. The car "coughed" and maybe "sputtered" but remained running, and as soon as I realized it was in N I let off the gas, shifted back into D and hit the gas again to pick up my speed. The result was nothing, it was as if I was still in N. I tried to push the gas up to 4k, but no drive whatsoever.

As I was now slowing down, I started getting over to the right, and was able to use momentum to pull into a strip mall parking lot. Turned the car off and back on again, tried shifting gears, and nothing. It wont shift into any gears, its almost as if the gear shifter isn't telling the car to change gears. I opened the hood to look for anything obvious, and apart from some minor smoke coming from the back left (passenger) of the engine compartment I didn't see anything strange. Checked the tranny fuild, and it was at full and clear pinkish in color.

**BTW I am assuming the smoke is coming from the minor oil leak from the pan hitting the cat, but not 100%

I got the car towed to a mechanic near my parent's house, who was unresponsive in looking at the car for a few days, and after some badgering simply told me it's the transmission and it needs to be rebuilt or replaced. He also said that pulling the CEL code points to a tranny problem. (I didn't know that's a valid code, can anyone confirm or deny?)

I plan on getting it re-towed to a different shop for a second opinion, but in the meantime:

My problem is I am not sure whether he actually spent any time diagnosing the problem. I had no prior symptoms pointing to an eventual transmission problem, the car always shifted into gear quickly, and changed gears smoothly while driving. I am thinking that knocking the gear into N from D at 45 mph did something to the computer or linkage or something, but I am not experienced enough to know exactly what it could be.

Was hoping one of you experts could help my troubleshoot or diagnose my problem before I drop $2500 on a new tranny. I just replaced the tires, brakes, stabilizer bushings, radio, speakers and installed a remote starter this year. I really don't want to junk the car, it's in great shape.

Thanking all of you in advance for reading the long post, and for any advice you may have to give.
 
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Bartman39

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I would for sure get a second opinion and have them make damn sure its not just a linkage end that came off...? Older Fords like that use a plastic insert in the cable end to clip it on the ball on the linkage... The dealer will sell you a complete cable but just pop out the insert and put it in the old cable and pop it back on the ball... Did a 2004 Ford F150 a few months ago with that problem and it was down at the transmission end... They had taken it to a trans shop and were told $2300 to rebuild the trans but just happened to mention it to me and I found it in like 2 min... BTW the cable cost like $28 but only used the insert...:thumbsup:

Might not be your issue but always get a 2nd opinion its YOUR money...
 

akshatp

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I would for sure get a second opinion and have them make damn sure its not just a linkage end that came off...? Older Fords like that use a plastic insert in the cable end to clip it on the ball on the linkage... The dealer will sell you a complete cable but just pop out the insert and put it in the old cable and pop it back on the ball... Did a 2004 Ford F150 a few months ago with that problem and it was down at the transmission end... They had taken it to a trans shop and were told $2300 to rebuild the trans but just happened to mention it to me and I found it in like 2 min... BTW the cable cost like $28 but only used the insert...:thumbsup:

Might not be your issue but always get a 2nd opinion its YOUR money...

Thanks for this info. How could I check this myself?
 

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For the trans end you would need to either jack the car up and of course put jack stands under it or put it on a rack to lift it up to see that end of the linkage on the side of the trans... The inside part also should have the same insert on the end of cable that the shifter is connected to which is in the console (assume)... It might be best to take it to a shop you trust and what I mean is it does not have to be a transmission shop but reg mechanic shop or if you know of someone that does alot of his or yes her own work...

You might be able to see the trans end of the linkage from the top...? I forgot yours is a FWD car and the engine/trans are transverse mounted and I was thinking RWD... Its a rather large cable and connects to a lever that goes inside the trans, it might have come loose from its anchor too...? Normaly the cable housing is held in place with a clip or some sort of securing device and this is at both ends also...
 
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akshatp

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Well, just got the bad news from the 2nd mechanic. It is indeed the transmission
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He said it was probably a TF pump failure...

Now I've got this car which is in great physical shape with a bunch of new parts, tires, etc on it.. and I have to decide whether it's worth putting a new tranny in.

The A/C also hasn't worked this year, hadn't got around to fixing it so that will be an add'l expense too.

How much do you think i could get for the car as is? Its the 35th Ann. Edition
 

Zenmervolt

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How much do you think i could get for the car as is? Its the 35th Ann. Edition

As-is? However much it's worth as scrap metal.

No-one's going to want a 2002 Cougar with a blown transmission. The only value those cars have is as transportation and unless you fix the transmission, you're going to have a really hard time getting rid of it. If it were a collector car or desirable for some other reason you might have a shot selling it as-is, but that generation of Cougar was just an economy coupe. Not particularly fancy, not particularly sporty, not particularly luxurious, just a reasonably reliable basic car.

The blue book for a fully-loaded 2002 Cougar in perfect condition is around $5,000 (assuming 100,000 miles), so you might have some luck selling the car as-is to a mechanic for $1,000 or so if the mechanic is interested in making the repairs and then trying to re-sell the car for full blue book.

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Eli

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I guess it could be a coincidence, but just based on your description, it really doesn't make any sense. Usually automatic transmissions don't just die, they tend to do it slow and agonizingly.
 

akshatp

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I guess it could be a coincidence, but just based on your description, it really doesn't make any sense. Usually automatic transmissions don't just die, they tend to do it slow and agonizingly.

My thoughts exactly... but how do I tell a 2nd mechanic the same thing I told the first one. And this one's dad is a dear old friend of my dad (they used to lease the garage bay's at my dad's station)
 

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If your cougar has a serious problem with a tranny, it may be time to find a new woman... haha :D

As for the transmission diagnosis, have the mechanic step through his diagnosis with you and be honest: you are trying to figure out why things are the way they are. In doing so you give him a chance to show his skill and also get him to go through the car again, perhaps more carefully. Ask him about the linkage etc. and explain that you don't get how it was so sudden.

People like it when you make them feel smart. ;)
 

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If your car has a transmission cooler attached to the rad then pull off the rubber line into it from the trans and start the car, if trans fluid starts pouring out its not the TF pump.

Sounds kinda strange it just completly dies ive never seen a auto go that fast before. Could be a trans computer issue have that checked as well.
 
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