2001 Slump May Not Have Been Recession at All

[arsbanned]

Keep your sarcastic "concern" about Dave's actual personal life off this forum. More than anything else, that IS a truly personal attack, and will be dealt with by us.

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Train said:

Don't worry. To be brainwashed, first you need a brain.

And:

wow, did you pay a 6 year old to come up with that comeback?

Those would appear to be totally unnecessary personal attacks as well. He pulls that crap every single time someone responds negatively to his posts. This is not right.

While Train's comments are excessive and regrettable, nobody seriously thinks Dave doesn't have a brain or pays 6 year olds for his comebacks, while the taunt we commented on goes to Dave's actual life, and is off limits. If we had to police every single "personal attack" here, we'd have to ban 30-40 posters in the first two days. We'd rather shut this forum down than devote that much time and attention to it. Try policing yourselves.

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[Perknose]

Ok. To recap, the WMD's turned out to be aluminum tubes and a couple of broken down trailers, 9/11 turned out NOT to be caused by Sadaam Hussein (but we invaded his country anyway), the 2001 recession turned out to be nothing more than a mild slump, and the 2000 Presidential election turned out to be a judicial coronation . . . but Clarence Thomas really is one of the wisest and most erudite legal minds in the country, John Asscough really is the man we need to safeguard and preserve our Constitutional liberties, and George Bush really is a statesman of Washingtonian stature, even if he can't spell or even pronounce the word.

Got it. Really nice looking glass you got there, Alice. Did you pick it up at a garage sale?

 

[arsbanned]

While Train's comments are excessive and regrettable, nobody seriously thinks Dave doesn't have a brain or pays 6 year olds for his comebacks, while the taunt we commented on goes to Dave's actual life, and is off limits. If we had to police every single "personal attack" here, we'd have to ban 30-40 posters in the first two days. We'd rather shut this forum down than devote that much time and attention to it. Try policing yourselves.

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Fair enough; thanks for the response, person behind the curtain!

Your welcome. That said, no one here should read our response as an endorsement of personal attacks of any kind. If you engage in personal attacks, you run the risk of a vacation. It's that simple. If your attacks are particularly vicious or constant, and especially if you contribute little else to the discourse here, your odds of being sanctioned are higher. But, in any event, if you chose to attack someone else, you DO run the risk of a vacation. Don't come crying to us that you were singled out if you are. And don't try accusing us of bias. We don't particularly like ANY of you, and we are sensitive, arbitrary people.

This forum was created to protect the kiddies of ATOT from your fervor. Can you imagine a more lowly status? The one sure way to avoid trouble with us is to follow our formal rules, even if others don't. If you can't accept this admittedly imperfect situation, we'll gladly give you your money back and show you the door.

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[dmcowen674]

Keep your sarcastic "concern" about Dave's actual personal life off this forum. More than anything else, that IS a truly personal attack, and will be dealt with by us.

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While Train's comments are excessive and regrettable, nobody seriously thinks Dave doesn't have a brain or pays 6 year olds for his comebacks, while the taunt we commented on goes to Dave's actual life, and is off limits. If we had to police every single "personal attack" here, we'd have to ban 30-40 posters in the first two days. We'd rather shut this forum down than devote that much time and attention to it. Try policing yourselves.

AnandTech Moderator

Fair enough; thanks for the response, person behind the curtain!

Your welcome. That said, no one here should read our response as an endorsement of personal attacks of any kind. If you engage in personal attacks, you run the risk of a vacation. It's that simple. If your attacks are particularly vicious or constant, and especially if you contribute little else to the discourse here, your odds of being sanctioned are higher. But, in any event, if you chose to attack someone else, you DO run the risk of a vacation. Don't come crying to us that you were singled out if you are. And don't try accusing us of bias. We don't particularly like ANY of you, and we are sensitive, arbitrary people.

This forum was created to protect the kiddies of ATOT from your fervor. Can you imagine a more lowly status? The one sure way to avoid trouble with us is to follow our formal rules, even if others don't. If you can't accept this admittedly imperfect situation, we'll gladly give you your money back and show you the door.

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I didn't say anything to anybody but appreciate the step in Mods.

Please guys, no Vacations and certainly no Bannings, we need a Slogan, "Give the Mods a Break",
you're making them work way too hard, they may just have to turn the Forum into the Car Forum for all the YACT folks, would you want that???

 

[XZeroII]

I was actually serious about the lawsuit or whatever it was. The job thing was a shot in the dark. I don't even know what your employment situation is. Sorry Dave.

 

[sandorski]

Souinds like the Mods Hate all of us equally. :beerto the Mods)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
I was actually serious about the lawsuit or whatever it was. The job thing was a shot in the dark. I don't even know what your employment situation is. Sorry Dave.

Don't worry about it. I actually do not even pay attention to who posts such things (well there was one person kind of like stalking but that has ceased and I still did not ask for that person to get a vacation or banned) .

The case can still be found at FreeMcOwen.com. The site was down for the past month until a couple of days ago when I was able to get the domain name back from expiration in the 30 day Grace period. It was close to being gone. It was completely over as of January 17th 2003 and I got a piece of paper that is as close to saying it never happened as possible. That document is also on the website.

The job situation has also been well documented. Before I left Atlanta last month due to sudden divorce I had finally landed a Computer position, while the pay wasn't the greatest, I was at least getting back into the working side of Society.

That job would not do me any good here in New Orleans now as I must find something with Health coverage or the pay is high enough to be able to pay for coverage individually.

I've been here a month now and getting fairly acclimated. There is a large Defense/NASA type workforce here. I've applied at palce like Lockheed etc so far. The Stennis Space Center where they fired up the Shuttle Engines for the first time in 18 months is only 20 minutes down I-12 from me.

I heard from a Fire Dept today, I may be able to get back into FireFighting, who knows, we'll see.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: XZeroII
I was actually serious about the lawsuit or whatever it was. The job thing was a shot in the dark. I don't even know what your employment situation is. Sorry Dave.

Don't worry about it. I actually do not even pay attention to who posts such things (well there was one person kind of like stalking but that has ceased and I still did not ask for that person to get a vacation or banned) .

The case can still be found at FreeMcOwen.com. The site was down for the past month until a couple of days ago when I was able to get the domain name back from expiration in the 30 day Grace period. It was close to being gone. It was completely over as of January 17th 2003 and I got a piece of paper that is as close to saying it never happened as possible. That document is also on the website.

The job situation has also been well documented. Before I left Atlanta last month due to sudden divorce I had finally landed a Computer position, while the pay wasn't the greatest, I was at least getting back into the working side of Society.

That job would not do me any good here in New Orleans now as I must find something with Health coverage or the pay is high enough to be able to pay for coverage individually.

I've been here a month now and getting fairly acclimated. There is a large Defense/NASA type workforce here. I've applied at palce like Lockheed etc so far. The Stennis Space Center where they fired up the Shuttle Engines for the first time in 18 months is only 20 minutes down I-12 from me.

I heard from a Fire Dept today, I may be able to get back into FireFighting, who knows, we'll see.

I remember the divorce. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Congrats on the lawsuit thing, it really sucks being accused of stuff you didn't do. And good luck with the job thing. I'd recommend sticking with computers rather than firefighting. If you really want to, join a volunteer fire fighting team or something, but that is a truly tough job to do 24/7.

 

[Jhhnn]

We've been here before, with the Bush apologists basically clinging tenaciously to only one of the standard definitions of the term "Recession".

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it's probably a duck, even if it might actually be some other very closely related form of waterfowl that only an ornithologist could possibly distinguish... like a coot...

No matter what it's called, increases in production and profits haven't been matched by the usual increase in wages, something that distinguishes this "whatever you want to call it" from other true recoveries in modern history...

Only the cheap money policy of the Federal Reserve has made the situation look as good as it does, and that'll have to change, right after the election... Anybody who has an ARM or other large debt where the interest rates can rise would do very well to move to some sort of fixed-rate scenario now. Yesterday or last week or last month would have been a good time to make those inquiries, IMHO...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Keep your sarcastic "concern" about Dave's actual personal life off this forum. More than anything else, that IS a truly personal attack, and will be dealt with by us.

AnandTech Moderator

While Train's comments are excessive and regrettable, nobody seriously thinks Dave doesn't have a brain or pays 6 year olds for his comebacks, while the taunt we commented on goes to Dave's actual life, and is off limits. If we had to police every single "personal attack" here, we'd have to ban 30-40 posters in the first two days. We'd rather shut this forum down than devote that much time and attention to it. Try policing yourselves.

AnandTech Moderator

Your welcome. That said, no one here should read our response as an endorsement of personal attacks of any kind. If you engage in personal attacks, you run the risk of a vacation. It's that simple. If your attacks are particularly vicious or constant, and especially if you contribute little else to the discourse here, your odds of being sanctioned are higher. But, in any event, if you chose to attack someone else, you DO run the risk of a vacation. Don't come crying to us that you were singled out if you are. And don't try accusing us of bias. We don't particularly like ANY of you, and we are sensitive, arbitrary people.

This forum was created to protect the kiddies of ATOT from your fervor. Can you imagine a more lowly status? The one sure way to avoid trouble with us is to follow our formal rules, even if others don't. If you can't accept this admittedly imperfect situation, we'll gladly give you your money back and show you the door.

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:thumbsup:

CkG

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Train
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Not only was the U.S. recession in 2001 the shallowest on record, it may not have been one at all -- at least in the classic sense of two straight quarterly declines, new government data show.
In annual revisions to U.S. gross domestic product numbers released on Friday that could fuel a politically charged debate, the Commerce Department rewrote the history of the recent downturn by revising away a decline in the second quarter of 2001.

The new figures, which reflect more complete source data, show economic activity peaked in the second quarter of 2001, not the fourth quarter of 2000.

Measured from the new peak, the economy shrank just 0.4 percent, keeping the recession as measured by GDP the mildest on record. The 1969-1970 recessionary period, in which the economy contracted 0.6 percent, comes in a close second.
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"If I were describing this, I'd say it's essentially a flat period," said Brent Moulton, who is in charge of compiling the GDP data at the department's Bureau of Economic Analysis.
Over the 2000-2003 period, the U.S. economy advanced at a sluggish annual rate of 1.9 percent, the same as in the unrevised data.

Okay, so it was not a Clinton recession after all....

And "they" say they arent just spewing Doom and Gloom, turns out it wasnt even an official recession.

 

[DealMonkey]

This forum was created to protect the kiddies of ATOT from your fervor. Can you imagine a more lowly status?

I feel so worthless now.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Yep, now the NeoCons will try and Brainwash the millions that have lost their jobs that we've been in a Boom and the Economy has been Sizzling all along with the Fearless Liar in Office.

Oh and the pay cuts that those that have gotten back into jobs, never happened, it's like the shower scene from Dallas, they were never making that money to begin with. :roll:

Actually, that's not what the article said at all. But since you prefer to be extreme in all of your analysis I guess I should have expected nothing less.

Yep, I'd prefer "Extreme" over being Brainwashed anyday. Amazing what a little Tin Foil can do to ward off those nasty waves.

Don't worry. To be brainwashed, first you need a brain.

And to be alive you need a brain, so therefore he must have a brain.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

This forum was created to protect the kiddies of ATOT from your fervor. Can you imagine a more lowly status?

I feel so worthless now.

You could always get to know how you really feel.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Ok. To recap, the WMD's turned out to be aluminum tubes and a couple of broken down trailers, 9/11 turned out NOT to be caused by Sadaam Hussein (but we invaded his country anyway), the 2001 recession turned out to be nothing more than a mild slump, and the 2000 Presidential election turned out to be a judicial coronation . . . but Clarence Thomas really is one of the wisest and most erudite legal minds in the country, John Asscough really is the man we need to safeguard and preserve our Constitutional liberties, and George Bush really is a statesman of Washingtonian stature, even if he can't spell or even pronounce the word.

Got it. Really nice looking glass you got there, Alice. Did you pick it up at a garage sale?

It is quite fascinating to look at the phenomenon of rationalization. It seems that language is very important. It always seems to require self-flattering terms. I find it interesting how closely propaganda and rationalization walk hand in hand.

When you see how totally some folks mis-perceive themselves, why does that not occur to us that we are probably just the same.

So easy to miss the forest for the trees, no?

 

[Gaard]

We don't particularly like ANY of you

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