Question 2000W PSU vs Dual-PSU for Workstation (Deep Learning, Machine Learning, Crypto Mining)

SergeGardien

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Hi All,

I'm planning a new PC with an AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X and 4x Nvidia 3080 3090 and I'm undecided about getting a single 2000 W PSU or 2 smaller PSUs in a dual-PSU setup (using the Add2Psu adapter).

The OuterVision Power Supply Calculator recommends 1908 W for my build (with x4 3080): https://outervision.com/b/9Of8MZ
The OuterVision Power Supply Calculator recommends 2036 W for my build (with x4 3090): https://outervision.com/b/YiYgQ6

This instead is the list of the components (it should be 4x 3080 but PCPartPicker doesn't allow me to add more than 1 GPU): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/98kRfP
This instead is the list of the components (it should be 4x 3090 but PCPartPicker doesn't allow me to add more than 1 GPU): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rgYqYg

The PC case is yet to be decided depending on the PSU choice too, in case I opt for the dual-PSU.
For the cooling I'm going to use IceGiant ProSiphon Elite for the CPU, meanwhile for the GPUs I will setup a custom water-cooling system once I can get the 3rd/4th GPU (right now I cannot get even a single Founder Edition).

This machine is going to be used for my work-from-home, to train deep learning models for work (hence the 4x GPUs), machine learning models for data science competitions like Kaggle (hence the 64 cores for training in parallel with Scikit-Learn and similar Python libraries), probably some crypto mining (which could eat most of the computing power while I'm not working) and no gaming whatsoever.

Budget is not a huge concern as I use it for work but I have another blue print for a cheaper machine with an AMD 3970X in case I decide to spend less.
My goal is to get a great workstation for a non-business price (less than pre-built deep learning machines) and keep it for 5+ years.

At the following link they say that a 1600W/1800W PSU is ok for 4x3080 and a 2000W one is ok for 4x3090: https://timdettmers.com/2020/09/07/which-gpu-for-deep-learning/

For my case I trust more think the OuterVision calcs are more reliable.

I've searched the websites of many PSU producers (https://www.ranker.com/list/the-best-power-supply-manufacturers/computer-hardware up to Zalman) and these are all the 2000W+ PSUs I've found:
I've read few reviews and forum/reddit threads but I'm not really convinced on any of them, maybe the SilverStone HELA 2050 Platinum but is not yet available.

I've also read the following thread: https://linustechtips.com/topic/300961-high-wattage-psus-useless-2000w-80-platinum-psu/

My main goals are the following:
  • get a reliable and safe power supply to run my machine heavily (the plan is to use it 24/7 across deep learning, machine learning, crypto mining)
    • "reliable" to avoid any downtime given that I'll use the machine for work
    • "safe" to avoid any potential damage to the expensive hardware
  • keep the noise at a minimum given that I'll keep it in my bedroom and run it while sleeping
  • I'm not really planning of overclocking the CPU, GPUs, etc., but I could test it in case I see fit
My questions are the following:
Pardon me for the long thread and thanks for all your answers!

Edits:
  • 10-Dec-2021
    • today I've been able to make an online order for an NVIDIA FE 3090 on a GPU drop as it popped up on the NVIDIA website (sold via an European partner online shop). I was hoping to get a 3080 Ti and/or a 3080 as well and re-sell the 3090 later on but I haven't been able so I'll probably stick to the 3090 and modify my build. I've been quite lucky to get an FE as the website was mostly down during the process.
    • I've found this interesting blog post from Lambda Labs (a maker of deep learning workstations) which gives some good information on multi-GPU build with NVIDIA RTX 30 series cards: https://lambdalabs.com/blog/deep-learning-hardware-deep-dive-rtx-30xx/
    • The above 2 points are skewing my decision towards a dual-PSU setup.
 
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BoomerD

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I can't speak to your main questions...the idea of a 2000 watt PSU is mind boggling to me...but I CAN say that, should you go that way, at least in most of their lower wattage models, Super Flower is one of the best PSU manufacturers around. Since this unit is 230vac, I presume you're not in the USA...
This review was written in 2015, so things may have changed since then...
 

sdifox

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You cannot run a 2KW psu on your standard 120V 15A circuit. Nor two 1KW ones.

Should add a 240V 30A breaker in the panel and run a dedicated power run with locking NEMA 14L30P socket for it.

That's my panel cabinet and I added a socket in a electrical box and attached it to the cabinet. It goes to my Eaton 9135 in a 44u rack.


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You cannot run a 2KW psu on your standard 120V 15A circuit. Nor two 1KW ones.

Should add a 240V 30A breaker in the panel and run a dedicated power run with locking NEMA 14L30P socket for it.

That's my panel cabinet and I added a socket in a electrical box and attached it to the cabinet. It goes to my Eaton 9135 in a 44u rack.


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Based on the OP's use of the English langiage, I presume "he" isn't in the USA and has 220/240v wall power.
 

sdifox

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Based on the OP's use of the English langiage, I presume "he" isn't in the USA and has 220/240v wall power.

I think even in 220/240VAC country they have lower amperage for common household sockets.

<-- Used to live in 220VAC 50Hz country with Type C plug. Higher amperage sockets are Type I.
 
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SergeGardien

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I can't speak to your main questions...the idea of a 2000 watt PSU is mind boggling to me...but I CAN say that, should you go that way, at least in most of their lower wattage models, Super Flower is one of the best PSU manufacturers around. Since this unit is 230vac, I presume you're not in the USA...
This review was written in 2015, so things may have changed since then...
Many thanks for the suggestion and the link BoomerD!
Yes, I'm UK based and it shouldn't be a problem here since we use 230V.
 

sdifox

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Yes, I confirm my house uses 13A.
This comment has probably saved me from a wrong purchase.
Thanks a lot sdifox!


Yeah but how many sockets are on that run is the question. They tend to be daisy chained. Better check or run a dedicated socket back to the panel to a dedicated breaker.

2 power supplies will be safer than one given how the gpus will suck lots of power at the same time.
 
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13 amps @ 230v = 2990 watts...

2990VA, you need to multiply power factor to VA to get W. Apparently UK likes ring circuit so there are more sockets per run so he needs to figure out total load of everything on that 23A breaker.


 
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2990VA, you need to multiply power factor to VA to get W. Apparently UK likes ring circuit so there are more sockets per run so he needs to figure out total load of everything on that 23A breaker.



Of course, but if mining is so important, he'll figure out a way to separate that load from everything else.