200 students admit cheating after professor's online rant

[steppinthrax]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...it-cheating-after-professors-online-rant.html

I watched the whole video
I have to admit, this professor was pretty pissed. He gave a very good and well worded lecture. I, being a former student, even got scared. I have to give some blame for a professor that uses a test bank for major exams. He is supposed to know the “game” students play. I also don't agree in the methods he is using for his investigation. I don't think this will "hold up" in the court of law. Unless you actually have proof that the student cheated, how would you know?

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

Granted, those who cheated should be expelled or suffer whatever punishment the University feels is appropriate.

However, this professor is a melodramatic windbag. What have the last 20 years been for? Really? You're having an existential crisis over a bunch of people cheating in your worthless business course?

Furthermore, he wants to screw the 2/3s of the class who didn't cheat because he doesn't want to deal with angry parents whining over their precious liars who won't graduate, even though he claims he can/will be able to correctly identify those who did. What a pussy this guy is.

 

[Infohawk]

As a whole we do not do enough about cheaters and liars. They are out there and they get away with it a lot in school and outside the classroom. I haven't really heard of anyone else besides Bill Clinton get in hot water for perjury.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Thank God these cheating student were not future TSA agents.....

 

[Throckmorton]

Seriously? That many students cheat??

I guess Cartman was right when he taught the disadvantaged kids to cheat because that's how white people do well.

 

[Theb]

Thank God these cheating student were not future TSA agents.....

Anyone capable of memorization is way overqualified to be a TSA agent.

 

[steppinthrax]

Anyone capable of memorization is way overqualified to be a TSA agent.

I don't believe a TSA agent needs anything above a H.S. diploma.

 

[steppinthrax]

Granted, those who cheated should be expelled or suffer whatever punishment the University feels is appropriate.

However, this professor is a melodramatic windbag. What have the last 20 years been for? Really? You're having an existential crisis over a bunch of people cheating in your worthless business course?

Furthermore, he wants to screw the 2/3s of the class who didn't cheat because he doesn't want to deal with angry parents whining over their precious liars who won't graduate, even though he claims he can/will be able to correctly identify those who did. What a pussy this guy is.

I think everybody who did cheat are getting off. I mean you simply admit to it and take 4 hour class (hopefully it's free). He even admits himself that he only has 95% accuracy with this "list" he's made.

 

[JS80]

lol professor is bluffing and 200 students folded! Kudos to him.

 

[DrPizza]

1. Wow, look at that bimodal distribution. How the hell can you have the answers and not get a perfect score on an online exam? Are you stupid??

2. They're just figuring out now, November 2010, that the test banks "have been compromised"?? Are you kidding me?? They've been online for years - ON THE PUBLISHER'S WEBSITES!

3. What kind of education are you getting when the professors are too lazy to ask questions that are all multiple choice? I can't recall a single undergrad class where professors didn't write their own exams. Test bank?? Thankfully, my 10's of 1000's of dollars in tuition paid for people willing to write their own questions & not teach directly out of a textbook.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

lol professor is bluffing and 200 students folded! Kudos to him.

Care to bet? All it would take is one of the folks (and there'd be more than one) who admitted to cheating to implicate you. The University doesn't have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, school isn't a courtroom and, the only 'rights' you have are the ones they say you have. So long, thanks for playing, appreciate your tuition, NEXT.

 

[DrPizza]

lol professor is bluffing and 200 students folded! Kudos to him.

It was an awesome bluff, too. Unless there were any witnesses who knew you had a copy. i.e. if someone was selling them, the person who sold them. Or, your roommate or... anyone else willing to uphold some sort of academic honesty policy. But, if you simply researched for more information prior to the exam, then I don't see the foul. Researching and studying from sources other than the textbook and professor's notes is NOT cheating. It's not a student's fault if what they study from turns out to be test questions that the prof is going to use.

 

[JS80]

Care to bet? All it would take is one of the folks (and there's be more than one) who admitted to cheating to implicate you. The University doesn't have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, school isn't a courtroom and, the only 'rights' you have are the ones they say you have. So long, thanks for playing, appreciate your tuition, NEXT.

Bluff, meaning he was BSing about being able to "forensically" determine who cheated.

But you are right, its because of the uncertainty and the authoritarian rule of a private school that 200 students folded. If what he was saying was true, no way he would just give a free pass by admitting they cheated.

 

[sandorski]

Seems like a decent choice and consequence for the class.

 

[CycloWizard]

Business schools use question databases to construct exams? Pathetic. Quit being so lazy and write your own exam.

 

[Darwin333]

I don't believe a TSA agent needs anything above a H.S. diploma.

They actually require a HS diploma?

 

[steppinthrax]

1. Wow, look at that bimodal distribution. How the hell can you have the answers and not get a perfect score on an online exam? Are you stupid??

2. They're just figuring out now, November 2010, that the test banks "have been compromised"?? Are you kidding me?? They've been online for years - ON THE PUBLISHER'S WEBSITES!

3. What kind of education are you getting when the professors are too lazy to ask questions that are all multiple choice? I can't recall a single undergrad class where professors didn't write their own exams. Test bank?? Thankfully, my 10's of 1000's of dollars in tuition paid for people willing to write their own questions & not teach directly out of a textbook.

1. Well they got a hold of an answer bank that had hundrends of questions. They knew the exam had maybe 20 or 40. They all studied the exam bank. They were too lazy to memorize each and every ques/ans.

 

[steppinthrax]

It was an awesome bluff, too. Unless there were any witnesses who knew you had a copy. i.e. if someone was selling them, the person who sold them. Or, your roommate or... anyone else willing to uphold some sort of academic honesty policy. But, if you simply researched for more information prior to the exam, then I don't see the foul. Researching and studying from sources other than the textbook and professor's notes is NOT cheating. It's not a student's fault if what they study from turns out to be test questions that the prof is going to use.

Yeah, but in this case the students studying the test questions, knew they were test questions he was going to use, hence the "Grade and a half" increase. There is generally so much material to study, students will concentrate on the important things first (notes/lecture slides + book).

 

[Farang]

It was an awesome bluff, too. Unless there were any witnesses who knew you had a copy. i.e. if someone was selling them, the person who sold them. Or, your roommate or... anyone else willing to uphold some sort of academic honesty policy. But, if you simply researched for more information prior to the exam, then I don't see the foul. Researching and studying from sources other than the textbook and professor's notes is NOT cheating. It's not a student's fault if what they study from turns out to be test questions that the prof is going to use.

I don't get the outrage. Standard practice at any fraternity or sorority I've been familiar with is to maintain an archive of exams from past quarters. I guess the main idea being to inform students what type of questions to expect, what areas you're expected to know, etc. But if the professor is so lazy that he/she uses the exact same exam over and over for years, then that's on them. Same applies to test banks.

 

[JSt0rm]

Whats sad is this guy is sitting waiting for a pension while the people in the real world who lie and cheat are sitting on a beach.

 

[Phokus]

Business Schools have the highest rate of cheaters out of any other schools, IIRC. A lot of these assholes go on to work in Wall Street, become business execs, become shithead republicans, etc.

 

[Zorba]

They actually require a HS diploma?

I am sure that is "or equivalent"

 

[manimal]

If I was teaching a business class and students figured out a way to cheat without getting caught they would deserve good grades..

free market at work!!!

hey its innovation!! like derivatives but better!

 

[Freshgeardude]

lol UCF.

its one of my choices of colleges once I graduate high school. already got accepted too! lmao

 

[JSt0rm]

lol UCF.

its one of my choices of colleges once I graduate high school. already got accepted too! lmao

oh jeez you are one of our neocon highschoolers. Fuck I thought I was talking to an adult.