Yup mambox is already out, and it is one of the crappiest mp3 cd players out sadly. I bought my Philips last week (after waiting an year for the sm200c), and i must say, it's pretty darn good. Went to a xc meet yesterday and had my earphones on for the whole time (1pm to 5pm). There are some bad things about this player, but overall, it is excellent, good sound (loud if you get the right mp3s unlike how other people have complained). I think it's the best one out right now, since the sm200c is limited in supply and has bad esp. The other ones out are cheaper, but from the feeling i get from reading all those msg boards, these aren't that great. But that's just my 2 cents