20 People Injured In Stabbing At Pennsylvania High School

[WackyDan]

Ok.

So, there are more points of armed individuals, than say a school.

SpatiallyAware wants teachers armed. Or, some sort of amred individual(s) on schools. Point being, that even with folks like that,.. you still can't prevent a crazy person from going around killing people.

You are right... You can't prevent crazy. What you can do it give people a chance - *Legally* to defend themselves or change the outcome from 8 stabbed to 1 or 2. That is what gun grabbers won't admit will happen.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140325/NEWS04/303250094/Syringe-Roseville-Home-Depot-gun

We have no way of knowing who the next person is to snap and cause carnage. We just don't. Our system of mental health and healthcare in general is so fragmented and locked down tight with privacy concerns that even when there are signs of instability the system fails to catch that individual before it is too late.

Gun grabbers want to take every means of defense away from law abiding citizens which further enables those bent on destruction to exercise their demons. I'd rather have a choice in the matter if I am ever confronted with it. Just my opinion but also my right - as defined by our laws at least today.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Oh the irony.

I label you as a group, it's not a personal attack.

You all do direct personal attacks, usually trying to bring in drama from other topics to derail as much as possible. But just like with gun grabber legislation you usually are called out for your BS and then scurry away with your tail between your legs.

 

[WackyDan]

No different than the gun grabbers to go on huge campaigns every time there's a shooting.

Funny thing is, any city/state that has this happen sees a huge surge in gun sales. These people actual help the firearm industry. I love the irony.

This same mentality strictly regulates knives as in the U.K.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I maybe be out of order but I am going to guess there are some mental issues involved with this attack. Better mental health and easier availability is the right path to follow.
Personally I sometimes feel we allow parents too much say in a troubled kids treatment. Think about it are Parents the correct person to decide if their child is not a danger to others because of mental illness? I wish I knew the solution.

 

[emperus]

Congratulations for using two of the most juvenile logical fallacies in one post.

The best part about making up your opponent's argument yourself, is that you can always defeat it. Amiright?

You know you are in AT P&N when the only two sides possible here are give 3rd graders RPGs, or expel them for making gun noises and pointing their fingers.

What were the two logical fallacies? Name them.

Btw, you may have missed some posts earlier in this thread. Like this one...

We have to do something about these knives. Maybe a waiting period and ban knives over a certain length.

There is no reason for anyone to have access to an assault knife.

Btw, nice strawman post. Talking about logical fallacies, please point out where any side made either of these arguments.

two sides possible here are give 3rd graders RPGs, or expel them for making gun noises and pointing their fingers

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Emperus, I believe:

We have to do something about these knives. Maybe a waiting period and ban knives over a certain length.

There is no reason for anyone to have access to an assault knife.

is sarcasm.

 

[AViking]

Yes and that doesn't change the fact that if you are going to commit a crime you go in and kill the teacher first.

You would be far better off suggesting that we arm Johnny Depp and put him in the class undercover. How about a Federal School Marshall? Undercover agents set to infiltrate our classrooms and kill any students who try to hurt others? We can do the Federal Movie Theater Marshall too.

The real solution is proper healthcare in the US. These kids and adults are sick and are not getting any treatment.

 

[Texashiker]

What were the two logical fallacies? Name them.

Btw, you may have missed some posts earlier in this thread. Like this one...

Btw, nice strawman post. Talking about logical fallacies, please point out where any side made either of these arguments.

My post was sarcasm.

If this had been a gun attack, obama and feinstein would already be on the news calling for more gun control.

Do not blame the tool, blame the mentally ill person harming others.

The real solution is proper healthcare in the US.

Exactly.

The people who need help are not getting it.

 

[emperus]

Emperus, I believe:

We have to do something about these knives. Maybe a waiting period and ban knives over a certain length.

There is no reason for anyone to have access to an assault knife.

is sarcasm.

Yes, it was sarcasm in an attempt to further the fanatical gun right argument why guns shouldn't be regulated.

 

[Texashiker]

Yes, it was sarcasm in an attempt to further the fanatical gun right argument why guns shouldn't be regulated.

Never said guns should not be regulated.

I will however say no new regulations.

Gun owners have given, and given,and given,,, until there is nothing left to give. We simply refuse to bow and take it up the ass one more time.

Enough is enough. No new gun laws, period.

 

[emperus]

My post was sarcasm.

If this had been a gun attack, obama and feinstein would already be on the news calling for more gun control.

Do not blame the tool, blame the mentally ill person harming others.


Exactly.

The people who need help are not getting it.

Logical people can do both. WE can both blame the mentally people and realize that guns are overwhelmingly more dangerous in their hands than other things.

No one believes people won't kill or crazy people don't exist. But I think most people would like to mitigate the harm that happens when people try to kill or a crazy person decides to be crazy.

And like in this case. A crazy person went on a rampage and injured 8 people. Hopefully, they all survive, though some may lose their life. If this crazy person had a gun, I guarantee you he would have injured more than 7 in that time span and the majority of those people would have died.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

**update** one of the people harmed was a security guard. Not sure if the guard was armed though.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Never said guns should not be regulated.

I will however say no new regulations.

Gun owners have given, and given,and given,,, until there is nothing left to give. We simply refuse to bow and take it up the ass one more time.

Enough is enough. No new gun laws, period.

What actually has happened numerous times is the gun grabbers introduce a bill, say for more extensive background checks. They battle with gun rights people until everyone is in agreement and happy.

Then, right before the bill is run, the gun grabbers add in something friggin stupid like magazine cap restrictions.


This has happened over, and over and over. Every time pro gun people agree on some change the nutters add in some psycho addition at the last second trying to slip something under the rug.


Because of this, pro gun rights people won't work with the nutters any longer.

If the nutters would be logical and reasonable we could've already had major reform with people with mental issues, etc.... But they screwed themselves.

 

[TreVader]

So the argument is that because kids are dangerous and can stab people, we should give them guns?




If this kid had had a gun, 40 people would be dead instead of 20 injured. This doesn't make the case for kids having guns, quite the opposite (to rational people).

 

[Texashiker]

And like in this case. A crazy person went on a rampage and injured 8 people. Hopefully, they all survive, though some may lose their life. If this crazy person had a gun, I guarantee you he would have injured more than 7 in that time span and the majority of those people would have died.

And that is supposed to give the government the ability to infringe on my rights?

No, absolutely no new gun laws.

We compromised with the National Firearms Act 1934.
We compromised with the gun control act of 1968.
We compromised with the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968
We compromised with the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990.
We compromised with the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act 1993.

What has the ant-gun lobby compromised on?

We will not compromise again.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So the argument is that because kids are dangerous and can stab people, we should give them guns?




If this kid had had a gun, 40 people would be dead instead of 20 injured. This doesn't make the case for kids having guns, quite the opposite (to rational people).

I think it's hilarious how your reading comprehension skills are so friggin terrible yet you all want to try and change gun laws that have been well established in our culture for over 200 years.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

How about arm a random 1/10 of the teachers. Let them nominate themselves so we don't have people like emp carrying a gun. People with former firearm experience are at the front of the list.

I don't know where you're from, but where I went to school, you wouldn't be able to find even 1% of teachers in the entire district who would volunteer to carry a gun for the possibility of taking down a rampaging child. I doubt 10% of teachers in this area have ever even handled a gun, let alone had significant firearm experience. Teachers, as a general rule, don't actually want to shoot students, and would try almost anything else to stop an attack even at the expense of their own lives.

And why exactly are we jumping on this tragedy to debate guns? What a horrible thing to do.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And that is supposed to give the government the ability to infringe on my rights?

No, absolutely no new gun laws.

We compromised with the National Firearms Act 1934.
We compromised with the gun control act of 1968.
We compromised with the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968
We compromised with the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990.
We compromised with the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act 1993.

What has the ant-gun lobby compromised on?

We will not compromise again.

Exactly. There have been no anti gun laws passed in any state in at least 5 years.

There have been no anti gun laws passed in any pro-self defense state in at least 10 years.




Modern US society loves and are comfortable with guns. We have kid gun shoots and competitions, it's a topic openly discussed in many schools, it's something deeply ingrained in our culture.

Honestly back in the 80's I thought this might change. But these kids seem to be pretty logical, none of it is changing with this generation.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I don't know where you're from, but where I went to school, you wouldn't be able to find even 1% of teachers in the entire district who would volunteer to carry a gun for the possibility of taking down a rampaging child. I doubt 10% of teachers in this area have ever even handled a gun, let alone had significant firearm experience. Teachers, as a general rule, don't actually want to shoot students, and would try almost anything else to stop an attack even at the expense of their own lives.

And why exactly are we jumping on this tragedy to debate guns? What a horrible thing to do.

Nobody WANTS to shoot anybody. Seriously try to keep your arguments at least somewhat grounded in reality if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I don't know where you're from, but where I went to school, you wouldn't be able to find even 1% of teachers in the entire district who would volunteer to carry a gun for the possibility of taking down a rampaging child. I doubt 10% of teachers in this area have ever even handled a gun, let alone had significant firearm experience. Teachers, as a general rule, don't actually want to shoot students, and would try almost anything else to stop an attack even at the expense of their own lives.

And why exactly are we jumping on this tragedy to debate guns? What a horrible thing to do.

^^This I was just about to post something similar. Where I grew up I can't really think of a teacher that would want a gun in the classroom.

 

[Texashiker]

Exactly. There have been no anti gun laws passed in any state in at least 5 years.

There have been no anti gun laws passed in any pro-self defense state in at least 10 years.

I am glad to see the anti-gun trend of the clinton years reversing.

With two supreme court rulings behind gun ownership, and more cases on the way, anti-gun states are in for a rude awaking.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Nobody WANTS to shoot anybody. Seriously try to keep your arguments at least somewhat grounded in reality if you want to be taken seriously.

OK, let me rephrase. Where I grew up, over 99% of teachers would flat-out refuse to carry a weapon in school and, even if forced to carry it, would refuse to use it on a student during a violent altercation (like a school shooting, not just a normal fight). They would not use it whether it was available or not.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I am glad to see the anti-gun trend of the clinton years reversing.

With two supreme court rulings behind gun ownership, and more cases on the way, anti-gun states are in for a rude awaking.

We're seeing it right here.

Look at how they debate... We mention the possibility of having a couple of people armed at schools at they turn it into "arm all the kids"

We mention the possibility of allowing people who want to be legally do so and they turn it into "arm all the people"


This crazy talk is why gun rights are stronger than they've ever been. It's incredibly easy to show these nutters for what they are when this is how their thought process works.

Honestly, I don't even think it's intentional. I think they truly "hear" what they want to hear and are incapable of having a rational discussion.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Some people in here would have a heart attack had they gone to the same high school I did in the 70's (73-76). It was not uncommon to see a pickup in the parking lot with either a shotgun or rifle in the gun rack. Most likely a hunting knife hanging off the rack as well. Nor was it uncommon for these items to be found in a car trunk either. Specially during the different hunting season. No one was shot or stabbed during the years I was there or when my younger siblings went there.

Youth of today have major issues that go unnoticed or ignored by those around them

 

[z1ggy]

I don't know where you're from, but where I went to school, you wouldn't be able to find even 1% of teachers in the entire district who would volunteer to carry a gun for the possibility of taking down a rampaging child. I doubt 10% of teachers in this area have ever even handled a gun, let alone had significant firearm experience. Teachers, as a general rule, don't actually want to shoot students, and would try almost anything else to stop an attack even at the expense of their own lives.

And why exactly are we jumping on this tragedy to debate guns? What a horrible thing to do.

Because both sides of the aisle take tragedy like this as a chance to give credence to their agendas/arguements.