2 NYPD cops ambushed, shot in head

[fskimospy]

The difference there is that nobody told Adam Lanza that kids were evil and that they killed others unjustly. Nobody told Adam Lanza that kids were out to kill him and would arrest him for no reason. Nobody held riots and "die ins" and such to encourage him. Nobody in the media paraded Adam Lanza killing kids around. No president went in front of the media to effectively declare solidarity with Adam Lanza, saying that the President could have been him.

Not a single fucking person fostered the idea that Adam Lanza was right, nobody.

The race baiting grievance industry is doing exactly that to black people.

Now I have seen it all. People protesting the scientifically proven bias of the criminal justice system against minorities are the ones really at fault.

This is a terrible tragedy but the reaction so far has been disgusting. The person who killed these two people in cold blood was a horrible human. That in no way means that highlighting how incredibly fucked up our police departments are is wrong.

 

[Fern]

I mean the science shows that it's not experience. (Actions of the police against black people vastly outweigh their increased propensity for crime. )

So do you have a third option or are we just going with racism?

3rd option is that your study is irrelevant (unless you've incorrectly described it).

Fern

 

[Fern]

Should parents be anxious when sending their kids off to school because of Adam Lanza. You say some pretty off the wall shit sometimes.

I forgot to use the sarcasm font.

Fern

 

[highland145]

I forgot to use the sarcasm font.

Fern

Wouldn't have mattered.

 

[Dari]

I saw that story when first reported.

There was no explanation of how or why he got shot. It was termed an accident. It wasn't clear from the article if the cop who's gun fired even intended to shoot. It also wasn't clear if the cop had even seen Mr. Gurly as he was described as being on a different floor than the cops. The stairwell was reportedly unlit and dark. Because of the location difference between the cops and Gurly the article even suggested it may have been a ricochet shot.

I haven't been able to find any updated info. Unless you have, your apparent leap to conclude that this was a racially motivated shooting discredits you.

Fern

I think you've discredited yourself in this thread already. Also, that tripe I just quoted says a lot about you and the "information" you've heard. I know cops and they say the Pink Houses, where the incident occured, is very bad. Even cops are scared to go in there. Drug dealers ply their trade in old ladies apartments. People walk around brandishing weapons. So, yeah, cops (rookie cops, no doubt) were on edge when patrolling that project. And when the lights go out??? Not good. So, the cops did what any real American hero would do, they took out their flashlights. They were already disobeying orders to not do "verticals" (going up and down stairs). They were only instructed to patrol the grounds. So, one cop decided to double down on stupid by pulling out his gun. He shot a "thug". Scared, he called his union rep and the rest is whatever the fuck you heard...

 

[LegendKiller]

Now I have seen it all. People protesting the scientifically proven bias of the criminal justice system against minorities are the ones really at fault.

This is a terrible tragedy but the reaction so far has been disgusting. The person who killed these two people in cold blood was a horrible human. That in no way means that highlighting how incredibly fucked up our police departments are is wrong.

There are aspects of the police departments that need to be changed and others that don't.

Not all biases are wrong.

 

[Dari]

The difference there is that nobody told Adam Lanza that kids were evil and that they killed others unjustly. Nobody told Adam Lanza that kids were out to kill him and would arrest him for no reason. Nobody held riots and "die ins" and such to encourage him. Nobody in the media paraded Adam Lanza killing kids around. No president went in front of the media to effectively declare solidarity with Adam Lanza, saying that the President could have been him.

Not a single fucking person fostered the idea that Adam Lanza was right, nobody. Adam Lanza is universally reviled by every single person on this planet, even the guy who fathered him. You don't see his father crying out for "justice", you see his father pretty much wishing he was never born.

The race baiting grievance industry is doing exactly that to black people.

I hope you're smarter than the crap your posting here tonight. Blacks do not need motivation from the media to be angry at police. You trying to put partial blame on the media for this incident is just dumb.

 

[fskimospy]

3rd option is that your study is irrelevant (unless you've incorrectly described it).

Fern

You have always demonstrated an impressive ability to ignore contrary evidence.

i think a study of how often police act against minorities relative to their crime rate is highly relevant to understanding if police action is related to someone's minority status. In fact. I can't imagine what would be more relevant.

You appear to be one of the white people who has signed on to the police culture war. It's the only explanation I can think of for this willful blindness and/or dishonesty.

 

[LegendKiller]

I hope you're smarter than the crap your posting here tonight. Blacks do not need motivation from the media to be angry at police. You trying to put partial blame on the media for this incident is just dumb.

So you think there is absolutely no causal effect of their focusing on these things, portraying them as race issues and 24/7 media coverage as such that may add to the problem?

I see them as part of the problem.

 

[fskimospy]

There are aspects of the police departments that need to be changed and others that don't.

Not all biases are wrong.

This bias is demonstrably wrong, at least in its severity.

 

[highland145]

Now I have seen it all. People protesting the scientifically proven bias of the criminal justice system against minorities are the ones really at fault.

This is a terrible tragedy but the reaction so far has been disgusting. The person who killed these two people in cold blood was a horrible human. That in no way means that highlighting how incredibly fucked up our police departments are is wrong.

How about highlight black on black crime/rates/homicides. What are the statistical comparisons with the police per population?

 

[Paul98]

How about highlight black on black crime/rates/homicides. What are the statistical comparisons with the police per population?

To bad you could never find accurate data on that.

 

[fskimospy]

How about highlight black on black crime/rates/homicides. What are the statistical comparisons with the police per population?

Why black on black crime rates? Why not white on white? (It's almost as high)

Police stops of black people are proportionally greater than their increased crime rate.

 

[highland145]

I hope you're smarter than the crap your posting here tonight. Blacks do not need motivation from the media to be angry at police. You trying to put partial blame on the media for this incident is just dumb.

LOL The Ferguson crap was media. You won't admit it.

The Garner thing need some outside investigation.

You probably think GZ should still be strung up. Did you even watch the trial?

And this is rich coming from you. Need a new drug?

 

[highland145]

Why black on black crime rates? Why not white on white? (It's almost as high)

Not per capita.

Police stops of black people are proportionally greater than their increased crime rate

Maybe because they're already hanging out in the high crime areas?

 

[Dari]

So you think there is absolutely no causal effect of their focusing on these things, portraying them as race issues and 24/7 media coverage as such that may add to the problem?

I see them as part of the problem.

It is mainly an "us vs. them" issue that is magnified when the races are different. Even black cops see it as "us vs them" (cops vs civilians). Again, blacks have been the victim of government abuse for centuries. You portraying them as "thugs" or accusing the media of being partial is showing your own bias.

 

[highland145]

It is mainly an "us vs. them" issue that is magnified when the races are different. Even black cops see it as "us vs them" (cops vs perps). Again, blacks have been the victim of government abuse for centuries. You portraying them as "thugs" or accusing the media of being partial is showing your own bias.

Not acccusing. Fact.

Poor Michelle was asked by a near blind 80 yo to get an item off a shelf.

 

[fskimospy]

Not per capita.


Maybe because they're already hanging out in the high crime areas?

If your excuse for police arrests of minorities at rates much greater than their propensity to commit crimes is "well they were there anyway", I hope you realize what a horrible excuse that would be.

 

[highland145]

Dogs and fleas.


That was tongue in cheek...almost

 

[Victorian Gray]

"What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!"

When you march the streets of NYC chanting that, it appears that some folks are going to take it to heart. Will de Blasio stay away from their funerals as asked?

http://nypost.com/2014/12/12/cops-to-de-blasio-stay-away-from-our-funerals/

Empty posturing always accomplishes so much, doesn't it?

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm fond of it. de Blasio threw the Police force under the bus by telling the world that he essentially told his son that he needed to be suspicious of the Police. He doesn't support them. He gave them a big public "fuck you" and they gave it right back to him. He deserved it. Should they have thanked him?

I hope for his sake he's found some thick skinned cops to keep guard over him and his family. They could just turn and face the wrong direction sometime.

Was it purposeful or is he just that plain stupid? IMO he thought it best to stoke the fires.

Anyway, the thread isn't about de Blasio.

Then stop mentioning him.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't know what you learn from something like this, other then to point out clearly those who do not understand what a criminal is. A criminal can be anyone and everything, they wear police uniforms, they wear OR scrubs, they wear a business suit, and they even wear a hoody.

Criminals are human beings, who commit such horrible acts, that are then punished when found guilty.

Idiots are human beings, who commit horrible acts, we may or may not punish them depending on how stupid they are, but in the end...they don't really understand their own actions.

Angels are human beings, who commit horrible acts, but never get caught and are seen as perfect people. We all sin, it's just a matter of getting caught and owning up to it. Maybe we did something stupid, maybe we did something criminal.


Moonbeam, nobody is perfect. You will never live in a perfect world. But I will tell you, you live in a world where someone who murders two people eating lunch in a car can NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER ever be fucking rationalized with people doing criminal acts, stupid acts, or god knows what else.

Fuck you for trying to rationalize a brutal murder. I still like you Moonbeam, I'm just disappointed.

I imagine we will shortly find out this man was seriously mentally ill and that his violent outbursts may have been exacerbated by the constant head pounding and non-fucking existent "White cops murdering black boys" shit that is drooling on national news.

All I can say is that if you felt what I said rationalized murder somehow, you didn't really understand what I said.

 

[mizzou]

All I can say is that if you felt what I said rationalized murder somehow, you didn't really understand what I said.

i get upset about these issues enough that i guess it doeant take much to overread a comment. I apologize moonbeam.

 

[Imp]

Who gives a shit how he died? He shot two men for no reason at all.

It matters if people are speculating about why he did it and start politicizing it.

 

[highland145]

It matters if people are speculating about why he did it and start politicizing it.

I'm guessing sharpton, crump, and jesse will be absent in the criticizations.