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2 Georgia Cops Fired for Beating Unarmed Man.

Mai72

Mai72

Lifer
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...andcuffed-suspect-in-the-head-has-been-fired/

Suprised this hasn't been talked about yet. Considering how many forum members dislike the police.

Two Georgia police were promptly fired for beating an unarmed man, and for falsifying documents. They claimed the driver got out and charged at the one cop. That's complete garbage, because there were two videos showing the driver with his hands in the air. What took place next was beyond words. The one cop punched the driver in the face. While down, the other cop ran up and stomped on the driver's head.

Both lost their job. These guys aren't rookies either. One had 12 plus years on the force. I believe the other had 3-4 years. They lost everything. Their pension, health care, pay, etc. Stupid If they have families it's sad to think that they'll suffer financially and emotionally as well.

This incident reminds me of an old friend. He was a cop for nearly 15 years. His dad was a cop. His brothers are cops. He lost his job because he had a nasty temper. He went up to these two men while handcuffed and kicked both in their faces. He did 3 years in jail. Lost everything. This was before smartphones. Just a bad guy. His fellow police friends refused to cover for him. He paid the price.
 
Mai72 said:
Both lost their job. These guys aren't rookies either. One had 12 plus years on the force. I believe the other had 3-4 years. They lost everything. Their pension, health care, pay, etc. Stupid If they have families it's sad to think that they'll suffer financially and emotionally as well.
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Not sad at all, they haven't even been charged with a crime yet. They should spend a long time in the FPMITAP, and the victim should take them for all their worth.
 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._shows_how_bad_cops_cover_for_each_other.html

So here's what the officer put into his report

I ordered Hollins out of the car. He refused, grabbed his phone and literally started to scream “help me” in the phone. I drew my taser and again ordered him out. He was yelling about his mother and still ignored my verbal commands to exit. At this point Hollins had ignored my lawful commands and obstructed my investigation. I then said, “Get out. You are under arrest. Do it now or I will tase you!” Hollins turned away from me and I feared he would reach for a weapon or try to start the vehicle and drive off. In my previous encounter he reached for a loaded firearm that was under his seat.
I quickly reached into the vehicle and grabbed Hollins by his shoulder. I pulled him out and at first he put his hands up. I turned him away from me and tried to pin him between the door and the car. I ordered him to place his hands behind his back and I removed my handcuffs. Hollins refused to place his hands behind his back, spun around and began to actively resist arrest by bending at the waist and trying to push me away. I then shoved him to create distance and deployed my taser. The taser prongs struck him in the middle of his back. The prongs were close together so I touched the taser to his upper right leg to create a third point of contact. This allowed for a greater arc distance and Hollins' body locked up. I then performed a leg sweep directing him to the ground.
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Compare that report to the two videos. I'm sure without the video evidence he would have been easily exonerated just like all of these other complaints against him that were dropped.

In multiple of the use of force reports stretching back to 1999, Bongiovanni admitted to punching suspects in the head (each event was considered lawful).

The actual misconduct complaints are even more troubling.

  • In 1999, a black man alleged that Bongiovanni said this to him when he asked for the officer's name during an incident: “Here is a card, you can report me you [dumb] mother fucker get your great person ass out of here.” The man's account of Bongiovanni's use of the slur was backed up by another witness. (The man also said this in his official statement: “The police officer[‘s] job is to serve and protect. This officer was very rude, aggressive, boisterous, and [did] not have the right mind nor heart to be a police officer on the streets.”) Bongiovanni wrote it up differently. The complaint against Bongiovanni was not sustained.
  • Earlier that same year, an unarmed Haitian man accused Bongiovanni of choking him and accused Bongiovanni's partner of choking the man’s mom after they had entered a private residence. Multiple witnesses described in almost the exact same way how one of the men had begun to use a racial epithet before cutting himself off. “God is my witness, that man almost said ‘great person,’ I know he did,” one witness said of the incident. “He said ‘nig’ and stopped himself. He said ‘I’ll take you ni—in the house,’ just like that.” Another witness described things similarly: “He said ‘[…] I’ll arrest every, every, every, every nig’ and he, he corrected [himself], he was about to say 'great person.'” Bongiovanni and his partner wrote it up differently. The allegations of the choking and the racial slurs were determined to be “unfounded.”
  • In 2001, a Hispanic man who was never charged with a crime in the incident accused Bongiovanni of brutality after he had to go to the hospital. Bongiovanni wrote it up differently. The internal investigation found him to be exonerated.
  • In 2002, a white woman who was in a car with her black boyfriend accused Bongiovanni of fondling her inner thigh with the inside of his hand during a stop frisk, pulling the elastic band on the back of her sweatpants, and breaking a purse during a search. (“He didn’t pull them far,” she said. “He, you know, he pulled enough to where you could see the top, leg part of my underwear.”) Bongiovanni and his partner wrote it up differently. The internal investigation found him to be exonerated.
  • In 2003, a black man accused Bongiovanni of striking him and choking him with a baton. Bongiovanni wrote it up differently. The internal investigation found the complaint was not sustained.
  • In 2004, a black man who was eventually arrested on a drug charge claimed that he had his hands on the roof of his car when Bongiovanni punched him in the head and said “don’t look at me, or I’ll shoot you.” Bongiovanni wrote it up differently. The internal investigation found him to be exonerated.
  • In 2006, a black man who was being arrested claimed that Bongiovanni choke slammed him on a car, punched him twice in the face, and elbowed him twice in the head. He also claimed that Bongiovanni said “I’ll fuck you up great person.” Bongiovanni wrote it up differently. The internal investigation found him to be exonerated.
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So if local police will barely police themselves and AG Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the III wants to drop federal oversight agreements, then you better hope you got a good dash cam if you get pulled over.
 
Maybe the two will use it to their advantage beefing up their resumes for cities that hire tougher police officers and pay a lot more. No I don't mean that, just trying to be sarcastic. On the other hand we don't yet know if any cities or counties have their eye on hiring them for their assertiveness or aggressiveness, or however you describe it.
 
When will they learn that there are cameras everywhere.
They should be charged with assault and sent to jail.
I can see any other police jurisdiction wanting to hire these two.

 
I'm just glad the cops themselves weren't wearing cameras. Those storage fees are killer.

Why spend money on things when you can crowd source it for free, right? We just need corrupt cops to commit abuses of power in front of people with phones at the ready. Problem solved. Bigly.
 
I don't dislike the police -- I know there are many upstanding officers.

The issue is that many police departments have created very insular cultures that promote corruption and us-versus-them mentalities. All too often, the goal isn't doing the right thing; it's protecting the department and treating officers like soldiers in a war. You end up with police who act as if anything and everything is justified, who forget that they're ultimately supposed to serve the public and not themselves.

This is part of why I support groups like Black Lives Matter. They're not only challenging systemic racism in the police, they're challenging that police-are-always-right mindset.
 
Puffnstuff said:
89 of their charges were dismissed afterwards. They need to be prosecuted for their crimes and its unfortunate that ERISA will protect their pensions earned while behaving this way.
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https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/georgia-officials-dismiss-89-cases-linked-fired-officers/story?id=46819260

Yea, 89 cases that these two idiots were involved in have been dismissed. With their pension, I don't know what's going to take place. I do know my old school mate who was fired and thrown in jail for being an abusive cop lost everything. His pension, etc. This is also in NJ. I live in a state that has one of the strongest police, fire and teacher unions in the country.

I believe the same will happen with these two. It takes time, but in the end they are looking at jail time. If that happens then they'll lose their pensions. The investigation has just begun.

We had an incident close to my city. A firefighter walked out with about $8 worth of items from WaWa. WaWa is like a 7-11. Small convenience store chain that is very popular in the east coast. Anyway, he was busted by an off duty police officer who was in the store, and was promptly arrested. Get this. He was making $75k a year as a firefighter, and $20k as a lifeguard. He had to forfeit both positions. Lost everything for $8. How stupid. He appealed a few months ago and lost.
 
Promptly fired. That's an appropriate intervention and a lot better than suspension/investigation. Now they need to investigate and charge as appropriate.

Too bad for this guy. No one deserves a defenseless beating. Must be awful hard as a cop to keep all that rage inside, but I think a big reason a lot of people are attracted to law enforcement (etc.) is to provide a morally acceptable platform to act on their hate and aggression. Not surprising those moral lines get crossed so often.
 
The criminal justice system is desperately broken in the country. Why do European police forces never get caught on camera doing this stuff?
 
Blackjack200 said:
The criminal justice system is desperately broken in the country. Why do European police forces never get caught on camera doing this stuff?
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Occasionally they do. This wasn't a 'camera' incident but it's similar to what happens in the US (and other countries as well, including my own):

"Police in France are again facing allegations of brutality after an officer was charged with the rape of a young man during a violent arrest in a suburb of Paris.

Four officers arrived at a housing estate in Aulnay-sous-Bois, north of Paris, on Thursday evening, where they began stopping youths and asking to see identity papers. During the operation, a 22-year-old man with no criminal record, identified only by his first name, Theo, was allegedly forced to the ground and beaten.

A police officer has now been charged with anally raping the young man with a police baton. Theo suffered such serious injuries to the rectum that he needed major emergency surgery, and remains in hospital.

Three other officers were charged with assault. The four officers, who deny the charges, have been suspended."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...in-spotlight-again-after-officer-charged-with

and the police tried to push back as well by claiming that it was an "accident".

"Théo, a 22-year-old French youth worker whose last name has not been released, maintained that the injury — which required major surgery to repair — was inflicted intentionally and that he was the victim of a horrific sexual assault.

More than a week later, after protests have roiled residents where the incident occurred, French investigators have reached an entirely different conclusion: The violent sodomy was accidental and occurred when the officer’s expandable baton happened to slip into the victim’s anus."

The Interior Minister pressed charges anyway.

"Despite those conclusions, French Interior Minister Bruno Le Roux announced Sunday that one officer faces aggravated rape charges and three others have been charged with aggravated assault, according to the Independent. The men deny the charges and have been suspended from the police force, the paper reported."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-raping-him-police-claim-it-was-an-accident/

If you have a country that has a police force and minority groups of pretty much any kind then stuff like this happens.
 
Victorian Gray said:
Occasionally they do. This wasn't a 'camera' incident but it's similar to what happens in the US (and other countries as well, including my own):

"Police in France are again facing allegations of brutality after an officer was charged with the rape of a young man during a violent arrest in a suburb of Paris.

Four officers arrived at a housing estate in Aulnay-sous-Bois, north of Paris, on Thursday evening, where they began stopping youths and asking to see identity papers. During the operation, a 22-year-old man with no criminal record, identified only by his first name, Theo, was allegedly forced to the ground and beaten.

A police officer has now been charged with anally raping the young man with a police baton. Theo suffered such serious injuries to the rectum that he needed major emergency surgery, and remains in hospital.

Three other officers were charged with assault. The four officers, who deny the charges, have been suspended."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...in-spotlight-again-after-officer-charged-with

and the police tried to push back as well by claiming that it was an "accident".

"Théo, a 22-year-old French youth worker whose last name has not been released, maintained that the injury — which required major surgery to repair — was inflicted intentionally and that he was the victim of a horrific sexual assault.

More than a week later, after protests have roiled residents where the incident occurred, French investigators have reached an entirely different conclusion: The violent sodomy was accidental and occurred when the officer’s expandable baton happened to slip into the victim’s anus."

The Interior Minister pressed charges anyway.

"Despite those conclusions, French Interior Minister Bruno Le Roux announced Sunday that one officer faces aggravated rape charges and three others have been charged with aggravated assault, according to the Independent. The men deny the charges and have been suspended from the police force, the paper reported."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-raping-him-police-claim-it-was-an-accident/

If you have a country that has a police force and minority groups of pretty much any kind then stuff like this happens.
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I don't think this is absolutely inevitable when there are minorities. However, it's difficult to avoid in an era when police see themselves as above reproach.
 
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This sort of sums it up
 
Charges need to be filed against the officers. Firing isn't enough.

Doesn't matter what color the suspect is, this kind of conduct is reprehensible and illegal.
 
Blackjack200 said:
The criminal justice system is desperately broken in the country. Why do European police forces never get caught on camera doing this stuff?
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Victorian Gray said:
Occasionally they do. This wasn't a 'camera' incident but it's similar to what happens in the US (and other countries as well, including my own):

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I think the existence of a counter-example does not counterfeit @Blackjack200 's question. I sure would like to see data on the differences, but I have no trouble believing that there is a large difference in abuses of power between the US and Europe.

I don't think that it's because Europeans are somehow superior or a product explicitly of more progressive policies.

But I imagine the answer lies in the function they serve in the community. If police are integrated and integral to the healthy cooperative function of a community, those positive attitudes (community to police and police to community) carry a lot of weight when called upon to perform an authoritative function.

And this is where I try to mitigate some of the fervor we have in wanting to police the police. While it is appropriate and necessary to correct institutional protections for bad LEOs, this action is counterfeited by a punitive attitude rather than a practical one. Anger and aggression toward police is absolutely justified, as is anger and aggression from police toward the public. Why? Because both result from examples of dehumanizing the other. However, responding to these examples by dehumanizing back only further's the divide. We can condemn actions without giving up our understanding of them as human.
 
DrunkenSano said:
Promptly fired is good, next step is to throw them in jail. Extra years for abuse from an authoritative position.
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Isn't it funny that if I did this to you and the police showed up and you showed them the video of me doing the exact same thing they would arrest me on the spot and charge me?
 
Victorian Gray said:
Occasionally they do. This wasn't a 'camera' incident but it's similar to what happens in the US (and other countries as well, including my own):

"Police in France are again facing allegations of brutality after an officer was charged with the rape of a young man during a violent arrest in a suburb of Paris.

Four officers arrived at a housing estate in Aulnay-sous-Bois, north of Paris, on Thursday evening, where they began stopping youths and asking to see identity papers. During the operation, a 22-year-old man with no criminal record, identified only by his first name, Theo, was allegedly forced to the ground and beaten.

A police officer has now been charged with anally raping the young man with a police baton. Theo suffered such serious injuries to the rectum that he needed major emergency surgery, and remains in hospital.

Three other officers were charged with assault. The four officers, who deny the charges, have been suspended."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...in-spotlight-again-after-officer-charged-with

and the police tried to push back as well by claiming that it was an "accident".

"Théo, a 22-year-old French youth worker whose last name has not been released, maintained that the injury — which required major surgery to repair — was inflicted intentionally and that he was the victim of a horrific sexual assault.

More than a week later, after protests have roiled residents where the incident occurred, French investigators have reached an entirely different conclusion: The violent sodomy was accidental and occurred when the officer’s expandable baton happened to slip into the victim’s anus."

The Interior Minister pressed charges anyway.

"Despite those conclusions, French Interior Minister Bruno Le Roux announced Sunday that one officer faces aggravated rape charges and three others have been charged with aggravated assault, according to the Independent. The men deny the charges and have been suspended from the police force, the paper reported."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-raping-him-police-claim-it-was-an-accident/

If you have a country that has a police force and minority groups of pretty much any kind then stuff like this happens.
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What the hell is up with batons and anal rape. Do these sick f*cks get off on this. I mean WTF.

I also find it amusing when a tuff guy tells out "suck my ****." Yet, they'll tell you that they aren't gay. Yea, ok.
 
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