2 Different US Military Personnel - What it's Like to Be Attacked by Israel

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The first one is an interview with retired Navy Intelligence Officer James Ennes.

Officer Ennes describes the 2 phases of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967.

After the initial air attack by Israel, which killed about a dozen US soldiers, a US aircraft carrier about 300 miles away scrambled fighter jets to come to the assistance of the USS Liberty. Another order came from higher up in the US government, and those fighters turned around. About one half hour later an Israeli torpedo struck the USS Liberty, killing another 28 US soldiers.

Officer Ennes describes the tour of the hospital beds by higher ups in the Pentago. Every surviving USS Liberty vet was told that they would be going to jail if they spoke out publicly about the attack.

Officer Ennes also describes the war crimes that were being recorded by American intelligence. Specifically the execution of 1000's of Egyptian prisoner's of war by Israel in the Sinai. The POW's were ordered to dig their graves and were then machine gunned so that they fell into the graves.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/James.Ennes/TFC.2006.11.01.Wed.Ennes.mp3

http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/James.Ennes/TFC.2006.02.08.Wed.Ennes.mp3
http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/James.Ennes/TFC.2006.01.05.Thu.Ennes.1of2.mp3
http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/James.Ennes/TFC.2006.01.05.Thu.Ennes.2of2.mp3
http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/James.Ennes/TFC.2006.05.05.Fri.Ennes.mp3


Officer Ennes also mentions the answer from some officials in the Pentagon about why they couldn't talk about Israel's crimes - the concern about being accused of being anti-Semitic. It's interesting to see how the accusation of anti-Semitism is used to defend Israel's crimes over a period of years, from 1948 to present.

Officer Ennes also talks about how people around the world have stopped admiring America because of their support for a nation that frequently engages in terrorism - Israel, that is. The LaVon Affair and the Attack on the King David Hotel are 2 cases of Israel's false flag terrorism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

The USS Liberty is another example of Israel's false flag terror. Israel claimed to have been attacked, and that was their excuse in starting the 6 day war in 1967. As the officers on the USS Liberty recorded, Israel was not attacked - Israel was the aggressor. So that's 3 incidents of false flag terror, by Israel, where they kill civilians and then try to blame the attacks on Muslims.


The second interview is with a US Marine who was on board the US aid flotilla, and fought back. His name is Kenneth O'Keefe. He was on board the Gaza aid flotilla, and fought back & dis-armed 2 of the Israeli soldiers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZGN6SQWL3M
 
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SandEagle said:
shens. never read about any of this in the history books
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and motor torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War.[1] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[2] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[3]

Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty.[4] Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute these official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[5] and it remains the only major maritime incident in U.S. history not to be investigated by the U.S. Congress.[6]

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 as full payment to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the U.S. claim of $7,644,146 for material damage to the Liberty itself.[7]

On December 17, 1987, the issue was officially closed by the two governments through an exchange of diplomatic notes.[8]
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I am content with Congress's stance on the USS Liberty.

Further attention on the matter appears to be propaganda designed to aid terrorists and hurt Israel. There is a great effort to that effect and this is but a small part of that. I will not pay due process that the peddlers of this propaganda thinks it deserves.
 
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Can you really blame the Israelis at the time? Surrounded by countries that were making a lot of noise about attacking you, 20 years after the Holocaust? I would be fucking paranoid at any and everyone in the arena, friend or foe. I'm sorry this happened to Americans but the Liberty was an intelligence ship and got too close to the warzone. It could've easily been shot up by any of the armies fighting at the time.
 
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who the fuck cares about shit that happened that long ago?

and this was even resolved after a fashion...

using something that happened more than 10 years ago as an excuse to be an asswipe just means you are an idiot and need to be eliminated...
 
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Genx87 said:
Time to pull out the USS Liberty incident again.
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i know for real.

people don't remember that the US had supported the arabs over israel up until the yom kippur, and the USS liberty was obviously a spy shit.

if israel had a spy ship on the coast of US, relaying info to our enemies - we should destroy it.

it is pretty obvious israel was trying to force USA into war with egypt, which made sense at the time. USA tacit support for arab states is the cause of those sailors.

But anyways, this was 40 freakin years ago.


are you seriously go to criticize israel's historic relationship with the USA over a token event?

need i remind if the 3 decades of cooperation, intelligence-sharing, etc?

i cant think of a more reliable ally, maybe because israel is compelled to be an ally.

in iraq, 45% of foreign fighters are saudi. pakistan continues to support the taliban. egypt sponsors al-shabaab and the islamists in darfur, etc..etc...etc...

US/Israel were not "allies" in the sense that they are today. And even today, there is a conflict - like when the CIA forced the mossad to give up mashaal in jordan.

or when the CIA spied on israel over its nuclear program, or when the CIA cooperated with leftist palestinians in lebanon etc..etc...
 
Thump553

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This reads just like an IHV thread, except that the viewpoint is 180 degrees opposite.

While the USS Liberty incident was certainly real-and the public perception at the time was that there was a coverup of what was almost certainly a massive screwup by the Israeli forces, the intentional murder of thousands of Eygptian prisoners? And not a hint of that ever hit mainstream media in the four decades since? Come on now, that's fantasy.

Edit: IHV managed to slip in his reconstruction of history while I was typing this. Claiming that the US supported Eygpt before the start of the 1967 war is also pure fantasy. The US stood 100% behind Israel then-with money, arms and training-just as they do now. Back then the Mideast Wars were pretty much a proxy thing, with the US supporting and arming Israel and the USSR doing the same for the arab combatants.
 
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You would think at the very least Egypt would have made a stink about thousands of their captured troops being mowed down east front style.
 
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Edit: IHV managed to slip in his reconstruction of history while I was typing this. Claiming that the US supported Eygpt before the start of the 1967 war is also pure fantasy. The US stood 100% behind Israel then-with money, arms and training-just as they do now. Back then the Mideast Wars were pretty much a proxy thing, with the US supporting and arming Israel and the USSR doing the same for the arab combatants.
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USA sold more weapons to the Arabs until after the 67' war than to Israel.

And USA was very critical of Israel in the UN, even joining the side of the Arabs - especially after the battle of karameh.
 
SandEagle

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IHateViruses said:
i know for real.

people don't remember that the US had supported the arabs over israel up until the yom kippur, and the USS liberty was obviously a spy shit.

if israel had a spy ship on the coast of US, relaying info to our enemies - we should destroy it.

it is pretty obvious israel was trying to force USA into war with egypt, which made sense at the time. USA tacit support for arab states is the cause of those sailors.

But anyways, this was 40 freakin years ago.


are you seriously go to criticize israel's historic relationship with the USA over a token event?

need i remind if the 3 decades of cooperation, intelligence-sharing, etc?

i cant think of a more reliable ally, maybe because israel is compelled to be an ally.

in iraq, 45% of foreign fighters are saudi. pakistan continues to support the taliban. egypt sponsors al-shabaab and the islamists in darfur, etc..etc...etc...

US/Israel were not "allies" in the sense that they are today. And even today, there is a conflict - like when the CIA forced the mossad to give up mashaal in jordan.

or when the CIA spied on israel over its nuclear program, or when the CIA cooperated with leftist palestinians in lebanon etc..etc...
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the holocaust happened over 40 years ago and most of the nazis involved are dead. why keep bringing that up? because if you don't know history, you're doomed to repeat it.
 
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SandEagle said:
the holocaust happened over 40 years ago and most of the nazis involved are dead. why keep bringing that up? because if you don't know history, you're doomed to repeat it.
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bullshit... knowledge of the past isn't going to change a damn thing... if some asswipe can rabble-rouse up his countrymen to start killing each other it's just going to happen...

you deal with today today... not dealing with today today is just another way asswipes keep their bullshit running... it's another excuse used by someone who wants to obstruct in order to get something...
 
werepossum

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Meh. So Israel accidentally attacked us. We accidentally attack ourselves just about every war we attend. When tired men must make split-second life and death decisions, shit happens, which is just one reason why people say "War is hell" and not "War is orderly and neat."
 
SandEagle

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werepossum said:
Meh. So Israel accidentally attacked us. We accidentally attack ourselves just about every war we attend. When tired men must make split-second life and death decisions, shit happens, which is just one reason why people say "War is hell" and not "War is orderly and neat."
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http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2010/06/did_i_read_this/

he writes "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where our military forces were killed that was never investigated by Congress."

why was there never an investigation?
 
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How many civilians have we accidentally killed in Afghanistan this year alone?

Friendly fire and collateral damage happen in wars, and this one was 43 years ago.

Edit: Google "afghanistan friendly fire" to see how we've also killed Afghan soldiers and police officers, British soldiers, Canadian soldiers, etc.
 
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JEDIYoda

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cubeless said:
who the fuck cares about shit that happened that long ago?

and this was even resolved after a fashion...

using something that happened more than 10 years ago as an excuse to be an asswipe just means you are an asswipe and an idiot and need to be eliminated...
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---corrected for accuracy!!
 
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SandEagle said:
replace your sarcasm meter. i am fully aware of all of it. the point was, you will never read about any of it in the history books :rolleyes:
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there really is no reason to read about it......
as has been pointed out by previous posters....friendly fair is friendly fair and that is what happens on occassion so we suck it up and live with it...just like other countries..
 
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jediyoda said:
there really is no reason to read about it......
As has been pointed out by previous posters....friendly fair is friendly fair and that is what happens on occassion so we suck it up and live with it...just like other countries..
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wow!
 
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