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2.4C or 2.6C?

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scaryjeff

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Hi.

I was planning to get a 2.4C on p4p800. However, looking at the overclockersUK website, the 2.6C retail is cheaper than the 2.4C retail! (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Intel_CPUs_15.html) I thought maybe the 2.4C is somehow a better overclocker (like when the celeron 566 was a better overclocker than the celeron 600), but looking at the overclockers.com database, this would not seem to be the case. So what would anybody recommend that I do, stick with the 2.4 or go for the 2.6?

Also, does the p4p800 include the asus version of PAT like the p4p800-deluxe? I'm not sure what it's called, but it's that thing where asus claimed to have PAT on a springdale board, and intel told them they couldn't say that, so asus gave it their own name even though it's basically the same thing.

Thanks 🙂
 
Right now the 2.6C is a better deal. It's the same or in some instances priced less than the 2.4C. The advantage to the 2.6C is that the multiplier is slightly larger which "could" let you get the same overclock, but with less stress on the memory subsystem.

Plus it never hurts to have a higher frequency cpu when it comes time to sell it. The 2.6 should have a higher resell value. 🙂

 
Thank you for the compliment.
It's not as much as you might think 🙂
Overall about two weeks. The planning stage is usually what takes the longest. I'm not a very good carpenter, but it came out pretty good 🙂

This is my newest project, nothing fancy yet. I'm learning about water cooling. I have some idea's for a unique design, but all are just in the planing stages.

By and far this has to be the cleanest looking system I have ever done. 😀
 
I like to know does a higher clock multiplier perform better or lower clock multipiler??? eg, 12x 250Mhz or 13x 250Mhz?
 
Originally posted by: ticktack
I like to know does a higher clock multiplier perform better or lower clock multipiler??? eg, 12x 250Mhz or 13x 250Mhz?
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well if the fsb/mem speed remains the same then the higher clocked cpu will perform better in nearly every situation
but if you decrease the fsb and increase the clock mult (to get the same mhz) then you would get less performance
wheras if you increase the fsb with a lower clock mult then you get higher performance
 
-Go for the 2.6C. Same price, higher average overclocks.

-What is PAT?

-Silverback - that's a wicked case you have there!!! 😉
 
Scaryjeff,
I haven't played with the Asus motherboards for P4's. I have played with the Abit IC7 and IS7 series. I'm currently using an Abit IC7 Max3.
If an onboard NIC isn't that important Abit has an IC7 varient that is less expensive and it has the 875P chipset. NewEgg has the no onboard LAN for $119 that's a great buy for a board that overclocks as well as it does.

NewEgg also has the ABIT IC7-G MAX2 for $159
Both are GREAT motherboards with PAT already there.

About overclocking.
I have a 2.4C in my system now. At 3GHz I run it on the IC7 with a ratio of 5/4 or 250/200. That means basically the 2.4c has a front side bus of 1000Mhz (quad pumped) instead of 800 Mhz, the memory however runs at its rated speed of 400 MHz ( Corsair XMS 3200 ).
There is also a divider of 3/2 which means the memory timings are much better for 333Mhz ram. Every 2.4C or 2.6C cpu will do 3.06, getting higher depends on the cooling solution and type of memory that you have.

 
joe2004

My next box will be water cooled, that's why I'm playing with it now. I'll probably use smoked black plexi. I'm planning on running the tubing all around the outside of the case just under the surface. It'll have Blue UV reactive dye and if I do it right won't be visable until the lights go off. (LAN box) It's in a concept phase now, but I think I can pull off a really good looking case if I work hard enough on it 🙂
 
Okay, thanks silverback. I think I will be sticking with springdale because a) I am coming from a celeron 566MHz with 66Mhz bus to a 3000MHz cpu with a bus speed 50% faster than my current clock speed; I can't see myself noticing an extra 3-5% on top of that, and b) I'm not willing to pay an extra ~£50 for the privalige of this 5% 🙂

I have another question, I am not 100% sure on the memory. I know that I need to get a matching pair (I plan to get 2*256) for optimal performance, but what about all this 'double sided' nonsense? I have been looking at PC3200 memory (I'm not planning on overclocking the memory), but among the PC3200 sticks there seems to be a very large range of prices. What sort of performance increase am I looking at when going from CAS 3 to CAS 2.5 to CAS 2?

[edit] one last thing, does the p4p800 definately have nothing made by via or CMD on it? I can't see either mentioned on the asus website but I need to be sure because I hate both of them 🙂 [/edit]
 
The 865 chipset all belongs to Intel, I think you'll be fine there.
I would still suggest the IS7 as a choice for a motherboard though.

I think the Abit boards are better, but of course that's my opinion. 😉

To tell you the truth, unless your benchmarking the memory, it's very difficult to tell the difference between cas2 and cas 2.5. I surely can't
There are several memory manufactorers that you can choose from.
What I would do is buy the fastest memory I could that was affordable.
NewEgg starts thier 256mb modules around $40 for $47 each I would get this:

Buffalo Technology 256MB 6 Layer PC3200 DDR Memory Module CL 2.5 32X8 (Winbond Module), Part# DD4002-S256 - OEM
Cheap and good speed. What I like about NewEgg is that people are allowed to review what they purchased. The above has 5 stars of 5 from 10 different purchases.

I know you probably can't order from NewEgg, but at least it gives you an idea of what to expect and it gives you a resource to look at where people have talked about what they purchased.

I just read about the motherboard that you are planning on getting, seems like a very good solid board.
But from Anandtech :


Our recommendation for the week has to go to Albatron?s PX865PE or Abit's IS7/-E line. Both are great sub $100 boards. Combined with a 2.6C and 512MB of memory, you?ve got a pretty power rig for under $350.
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I had a look at the IS7, it seems to be pretty much the same as the ASUS board, and for some reason I have something against abit... can't remember what but there you go. Thanks again for the advice, looking for that buffalow memory now 🙂
 
Originally posted by: scaryjeff
I had a look at the IS7, it seems to be pretty much the same as the ASUS board, and for some reason I have something against abit... can't remember what but there you go. Thanks again for the advice, looking for that buffalow memory now 🙂
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Abit used to suck - exploding capacitors with the best of them. That was back in the P2 days.

They have gotten a lot better. I am mostly an ASUS builder, but my last 2 machines were on Abit boards (NF7-S 2.0 and IC7) and they were some of the best boards I've ever used!
 
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