2/3 of Adults overweight, 1/3 of Children

[fskimospy]

But the parents aren't providing the majority of the kids meals. Free school food covers breakfast, lunch and many times dinner or take home food. Same goes for summer when they aren't in session.

And a bunch of money for that comes from the federal government, and that means Obama.

Watch this president, look at his true motives. Obama wants our kids to be fat so that the America we grew up in is destroyed and is replaced by those fat ships from Wall-E. You can see it in everything he does.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/7/colorado-tops-us-as-least-obese-state-district-fin/

Colorado least obese again. Mass pork eating Mississippi most obese again

its probably all the 'fixins' and not the pork

 

[spidey07]

And a bunch of money for that comes from the federal government, and that means Obama.

Watch this president, look at his true motives. Obama wants our kids to be fat so that the America we grew up in is destroyed and is replaced by those fat ships from Wall-E. You can see it in everything he does.

Now you're starting to see the truth.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

And a bunch of money for that comes from the federal government, and that means Obama.

Watch this president, look at his true motives. Obama wants our kids to be fat so that the America we grew up in is destroyed and is replaced by those fat ships from Wall-E. You can see it in everything he does.

Yep. If they had a real interest in fighting obesity they would set a federal mandate that removed:

• sodas and any beverage with added sugar or sugar substitutes(artificial sweeteners)
• Candy, sweets, and deserts
• Any ingredient with added sugar
• deep fried foods

From being delivered in any fashion to children through a publicly funded institution

I pretty much wrote a common sense federal law in less than half a page. Useless congress.

 

[fskimospy]

Yep. If they had a real interest in fighting obesity they would set a federal mandate that removed:

• sodas and any beverage with added sugar or sugar substitutes(artificial sweeteners)
• Candy, sweets, and deserts
• Any ingredient with added sugar
• deep fried foods

From being delivered in any fashion to children through a publicly funded institution

I pretty much wrote a common sense federal law in less than half a page. Useless congress.

No you didn't. What constitutes a candy, sweet, or dessert? What constitutes an artificial sweetener? Are there exceptions for parties/social events? What makes something count as deep fried? All these things need extremely exact definitions or the law is bound to be completely useless or insanely, uselessly draconian.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

No you didn't. What constitutes a candy, sweet, or dessert? What constitutes an artificial sweetener? Are there exceptions for parties/social events? What makes something count as deep fried? All these things need extremely exact definitions or the law is bound to be completely useless or insanely, uselessly draconian.

Ok, then try this:

All beverages besides water, tea, coffee, milk (skim, 1%, 2%, and whole), and 100% fruit and/or vegetable juice are prohibited from being served by the school.
All food items with more than 25% DV sugars are prohibited from being served by the school.
All food items with any high fructose corn syrup are prohibited from being served by the school.

Three simple, easily enforceable provisions that preserve personal freedom (you can eat whatever you want provided you, not taxpayers, are paying for it). Unfortunately, as long as corporations are the losers, it'll never happen.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

No you didn't. What constitutes a candy, sweet, or dessert? What constitutes an artificial sweetener? Are there exceptions for parties/social events? What makes something count as deep fried? All these things need extremely exact definitions or the law is bound to be completely useless or insanely, uselessly draconian.

candy: A sweet food made with sugar or syrup combined with fruit, chocolate, or nuts.

deep-fry
Verb: Fry (food) in an amount of fat or oil sufficient to cover it completely.

artificial sweetener: A sugar substitute is a food additive that duplicates the effect of sugar in taste, usually with less food energy. Some sugar substitutes are natural and some are synthetic. Those that are not natural are, in general, referred to as artificial sweeteners.

wow, i'm wiped that took three google searches.

and the exceptions would be foods provided not through the institution or by the institution so you can bring candy in your packed lunch or you are free to cater your own events held onsite

 

[fskimospy]

candy: A sweet food made with sugar or syrup combined with fruit, chocolate, or nuts.

deep-fry
Verb: Fry (food) in an amount of fat or oil sufficient to cover it completely.

artificial sweetener: A sugar substitute is a food additive that duplicates the effect of sugar in taste, usually with less food energy. Some sugar substitutes are natural and some are synthetic. Those that are not natural are, in general, referred to as artificial sweeteners.

wow, i'm wiped that took three google searches.

Do you realize how incredibly vague all those definitions are and how many unintended consequences such a law would almost certainly have?

You obviously haven't thought this through, but hey I'm sure this law making thing is super easy and you're the first guy to figure it out.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Three simple, easily enforceable provisions that preserve personal freedom (you can eat whatever you want provided you, not taxpayers, are paying for it). Unfortunately, as long as corporations are the losers, it'll never happen.

corps wouldn't even be the losers, they have a choice evolve or die. Provide products that meet the requirements or lose the contract. The market will fill the need. It always does.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Do you realize how incredibly vague all those definitions are and how many unintended consequences such a law would almost certainly have?

You obviously haven't thought this through, but hey I'm sure this law making thing is super easy and you're the first guy to figure it out.

Those definitions are hardly vague. provide an unintended consequence please? The artificial sweetener is probably the vaguest

 

[fskimospy]

Those definitions are hardly vague. provide an unintended consequence please? The artificial sweetener is probably the vaguest

Those definitions are definitely vague, and unintended consequences will almost certainly be the simple inclusion of other really unhealthy foods that happen to skirt those rules along with schools having to jump through ridiculous hoops at events in order to not run afoul of some blanket prohibition that doesn't make sense.

There's a reason why people don't follow the Herman Cain idea of 'all laws should be 3 pages or less'. The world is more complicated than that.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Those definitions are definitely vague, and unintended consequences will almost certainly be the simple inclusion of other really unhealthy foods that happen to skirt those rules along with schools having to jump through ridiculous hoops at events in order to not run afoul of some blanket prohibition that doesn't make sense.

There's a reason why people don't follow the Herman Cain idea of 'all laws should be 3 pages or less'. The world is more complicated than that.

So no example. ok.

And the school doesn't have to goto any hoops its quite simple, if they are providing food to children it has to meet the guidelines.

 

[fskimospy]

So no example. ok.

And the school doesn't have to goto any hoops its quite simple, if they are providing food to children it has to meet the guidelines.

And you can't think of any situation where a school might want to provide food where it might conflict with those guidelines?

If you honestly think you're going to make good federal school food guidelines in a 3 line statement, you're ridiculous.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

And you can't think of any situation where a school might want to provide food where it might conflict with those guidelines?

If you honestly think you're going to make good federal school food guidelines in a 3 line statement, you're ridiculous.

The school shouldn't want to provide children with junk food anymore than they want to feed them rat poison. So no can't find a legitimate justification for it.

 

[fskimospy]

The school shouldn't want to provide children with junk food anymore than they want to feed them rat poison. So no can't find a legitimate justification for it.

Clearly, we should have the same rules for both candy and rat poison.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Clearly, we should have the same rules for both candy and rat poison.

Obesity kills just not as quickly as rat poison. so yeah we should want to fight it with the same prudence.

should we allow the school to hand out tobacco and alcohol on "special occasions" too? I mean come on every now and then doesn't hurt right?

Schools should be sending the kids the message that your health isn't important sometimes?

 

[fskimospy]

Obesity kills just not as quickly as rat poison. so yeah we should want to fight it with the same prudence.

No, we really shouldn't.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

No, we really shouldn't.

Why not?

 

[zephyrprime]

Does the federal government event have any control of school lunches? I think that's under local control only.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Does the federal government event have any control of school lunches? I think that's under local control only.

You are probably right though they can pretty much hold most states to it by with holding funds if they don't comply. Similar to how they do with many other things.

 

[Paul98]

If people learned how to cook good food that is good for them we wouldn't have as big of a problem as we do. Instead of going to the store and buying prepackaged frozen crap or crappy fast food. People could make there own delicious food from fresh home made ingredients. Then you will actually know what is going into the food, and you can make it to taste how you want it. If people only knew how easy quick and simple it was to make some amazing food it would help a lot.

 

[BoberFett]

You are probably right though they can pretty much hold most states to it by with holding funds if they don't comply. Similar to how they do with many other things.

And hey, it worked for NCLB.

 

[Thump553]

Yep. If they had a real interest in fighting obesity they would set a federal mandate that removed:

• sodas and any beverage with added sugar or sugar substitutes(artificial sweeteners)
• Candy, sweets, and deserts
• Any ingredient with added sugar
• deep fried foods

From being delivered in any fashion to children through a publicly funded institution

I pretty much wrote a common sense federal law in less than half a page. Useless congress.

I think that is the official policy of North Korea.

Education and a desire to change are what is needed. The only real legislation that would help is more clear and helpful mandated food labeling-something the government is trying very hard to do and fighting a full battle with the industry on.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I think that is the official policy of North Korea.

Education and a desire to change are what is needed. The only real legislation that would help is more clear and helpful mandated food labeling-something the government is trying very hard to do and fighting a full battle with the industry on.

This makes no sense at all. Your going to sit their and lecture children on what healthy food is then server them junk food in the cafeteria for breakfast and lunch. Yeah thats a real clear message to be sending.

 

[ElFenix]

Does the federal government event have any control of school lunches? I think that's under local control only.

here's how it works:

the feds tax people a bunch

then the feds tell the states if they want federal assistance (being, the tax money already taken from the people), they have to play by the feds rules.

in this way, the feds can reach things they otherwise couldn't, such as making sure that every school lunch is sold with milk, regardless of whether the kid wants milk, takes the milk, or if milk is even good for kids at all.