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juggalomike

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Ok i realize im going out on a limb here but im hoping for some help, im new in general to building computers. Luckily i have a friend helping me build it who knows alot, the thing is he isnt realy into gaming so im looking for some help from youns. If anyone has some spare time it would be great if u could put together a desktop PC for me, i only have a few restrictions.

1. Video card must be nvidia
2. AMD processor

Other then those 2 objections there are no other requirements. This system will be used for gaming and gaming only. when i say my budget is 2,300-2,400 US that does not include the monitor/mouse/keyboard, so if you want to throw a monitor in there that u reccomend thats fine, however i plan on using the logitech g15 keyboard and the mouse to go with it. Thanks for any help u provide, btw im from the U.S.(saw in a post that ur supposed to include where ur from)
 

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1 Antec Performance One P180B Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel for durability through the majority of chassis 1.0mm cold rolled steel around the 4 x HDD area ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #: P180B
Item #: N82E16811129017 In Stock $129.99

1 ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: M2N-SLI Deluxe
Item #: N82E16813131013 In Stock $139.99

1 EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #: 768-P2-N831-AR
Item #: N82E16814130072In Stock $529.99

1 CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 620W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: CMPSU-620HX
Item #: N82E16817139002 In Stock $169.99

1 AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail
Model #: ADX6000CZBOX
Item #: N82E16819103773 In Stock $169.99

1 CORSAIR XMS2 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX - Retail
Model #: TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX
Item #: N82E16820145176 In Stock $290.00

2 Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD1500AHFD
Item #: N82E16822136011In Stock $189.99 $379.98

1 LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model LH-20A1L-05 - OEM
Model #: LH-20A1L-05
Item #: N82E16827106073 In Stock $35.99

1 Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
Model #: 70SB073A00000
Item #: N82E16829102006 In Stock $79.99

Subtotal: $1,925.91
 

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Eww being a fanboy sucks! Top-end amd can't compete with let's say a e6850 or a q6600. You're shooting yourself in the foot by going with AMD mate. Not like the x2 6000+ is a slow cpu, not at all. Intel is just a lot faster ...
 

juggalomike

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im not a fanboy, actualy never used AMD before but i had heard it was better for gaming so i figured id try it out, is intel realy faster? So what processor/motherboard would u reccomend putting in place of the ones he stated? also im thinking of getting the

EVGA 768-P2-N881-AR GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

instead, about $100 more but seems ot be worth it
 

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Originally posted by: juggalomike
im not a fanboy, actualy never used AMD before but i had heard it was better for gaming so i figured id try it out, is intel realy faster? So what processor/motherboard would u reccomend putting in place of the ones he stated? also im thinking of getting the

EVGA 768-P2-N881-AR GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

instead, about $100 more but seems ot be worth it

If you look at the 3d bench mark comparison of the ultra vs the gtx the performance really isn't worth the extra money
 

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Originally posted by: juggalomike
im not a fanboy, actualy never used AMD before but i had heard it was better for gaming so i figured id try it out, is intel realy faster? So what processor/motherboard would u reccomend putting in place of the ones he stated? also im thinking of getting the

EVGA 768-P2-N881-AR GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

instead, about $100 more but seems ot be worth it

AMD used to be better for gaming. Right now, Intel is better in every regard. You would be doing yourself a big favor if you allowed us to customize an Intel rig for you.

<-- AMD Fanboy
 

juggalomike

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alright, if u wanna throw an intel rig together thats fine with me, since amd isnt as good as i thaught it was, also my budget has increased to about 2700
 

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gigabyte P35 DQ6.
Crucial Ballastix PC8500 Ram
Antec Quattro 850W
Q6600 G0
Evga 8800GTX
CM Stacker T-01 or Mountmain Mods U2 or Silverstone TJ-07 <--- all three of these are very watercooling friendly.

<invest in water300-400 dollars, after you've read my sticky linked at the bottom, and asked me for parts recomendation for the water migration>


Then be prepared to scale that monster to 3.6ghz+ and watch your neighbors go :eek: theres a 3.6ghz quadcore???
 

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DQ6 is VERY expensive, a ds3r or ds3l will be fine, hell the 70$ abit ip35 at newegg would be fine. Unless you of course need 100 sata ports, wifi, firewire and more of that mumbo jumbo. PC8500 ram is ridiculous too. Any ddr2 800mhz will allow you to overclock your q6600 to at least 3.6ghz. Many people don't even hit 3.6ghz. The PSU is overkill big time. I suppose I can agree with the 8800gtx.

As for the case, yeah, depends on what you want to do with it. I wouldn't really like spending 300$ on a case, 300$ on a good Watercooling kit, when you could get a 100$ case, a 65$ high performance HSF and achieve an overclock that's plenty high. Unless you want to have a HUGE e-penis, then it might be worth it.

Maybe stick to watercooling aigomorla ;)
 

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MarcVenice is so right about the whole case and cooling things. Get a decent case with good airflow (CM Stacker is a very good choice). Get a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme and plenty of fans and you can definitely push your quad close to 3.6ghz (mine is running at that speed right now with the same set up). Water is good, but require lots of care taking.

As for the board, Abit IP35 series (i would only get the pro version) is a very good board but only after you have vdroop mod (that board droops like there is no tomorrow on quad set up). My board is P5k Premium, it's a very good o/c board too but much more expensive than abit one.

Memory-wise, go with PC6400, should be enough for 3.6 o/c. 3.6 is the sweet spot for heat/performance gain ratio. If you get 4gb of memory, then 64 bit OS (either XP or Vista) is the only choice to go. 32 bit is not capable of handling 4gb. Either 4x1 or 2x2 set up would be fine. Although 2x2 gives you two more free slots for later 8gb set up, i just doubt that you will still keep that computer by the time 8gb becomes the trend.

PSU is a very important component in an o/c system. However, for a single 8800gtx set up with quad, 600w is good enough. xtremesystems.org has a very good review on PSU. http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=108088. Tier 2 PSU should carry enough quality for your set up. So i guess don't spend more than 150 for PSU.

As for graphics, I wouldn't recommend SLI, not worth the trouble especially you're going to run the whole thing on Vista. Single card is pretty much enough, imo, and at this point only 8800gtx is the only one that makes sense.
 

juggalomike

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see the thing is im concidering going dual 8800 eventualy, just not right now, so i figure why not get the better supply? also what is a good monitor to get for around $600? can be more but not like $1,200 lol
 

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
DQ6 is VERY expensive, a ds3r or ds3l will be fine, hell the 70$ abit ip35 at newegg would be fine. Unless you of course need 100 sata ports, wifi, firewire and more of that mumbo jumbo. PC8500 ram is ridiculous too. Any ddr2 800mhz will allow you to overclock your q6600 to at least 3.6ghz. Many people don't even hit 3.6ghz. The PSU is overkill big time. I suppose I can agree with the 8800gtx.

As for the case, yeah, depends on what you want to do with it. I wouldn't really like spending 300$ on a case, 300$ on a good Watercooling kit, when you could get a 100$ case, a 65$ high performance HSF and achieve an overclock that's plenty high. Unless you want to have a HUGE e-penis, then it might be worth it.

Maybe stick to watercooling aigomorla ;)

and maybe u didnt notice how much of a budget he dedicated to this project.

The DQ6 fits in his budget quite well, and its a hell of a stable performer.

"when i say my budget is 2,300-2,400 US that does not include the monitor/mouse/keyboard, so if you want to throw a monitor in there that u reccomend thats fine"

He wants a quality machine. Not a Cheap Crunch box.

Your recomendation has no 2nd pci-e, I dont know if it even has RAID. Also im only stating parts which i use and have shown me to be ROCK stable, at high overclocks at 100% load for months without issues.

Maybe you should throw your rig on F@H or WCG for a month and see how long it lasts.

Also whats wrong with those ram if you get them on rebate? i picked my second pair up for around 120 dollars. And i dont need to touch anything in settings for them to run. Also i can tighten the timings and bump the speed. Most ballastix PC8500's have no difficulty running 3-3-3-8 even at 800 mhz.

If the OP wanted to build a cheap box, then yeah, i would point him in a different path. But to fit his budget, i think my recomendation is right on the ball park.


OP, you want to build a cheap box, then yeah listen to marc. You want to build a solid overclocking monster machine, which i promise you, it will be ROCK stable even for WCG and F@H. Then i would seriously recomend you think about the parts i recomend.


Lastly, whats up with the people on this section. Why do you guys tell people this or that is too expensive or overkill when it fits there budget. Man, i hate to think what you guys would think about me and my computer stuff.

I have 5 quads alone, 3 on top tier boards and cooling. In my personal experience, cheap stuff = problems when stressed at long periods of time in the long run.


Also you tell me a PSU thats cheap that can do this:

The Antec Quattro 850, that being the lower model vs the 1kw series:

Jonny's exact comments were:
"I must admit that I am absolutely amazed with the lack of ripple and noise on this power supply. In most cases, the ripple and noise measured on the +12V rail is actually less than that on the +3.3V or +5V!

Pretty much, the +12V doesn't even beg for attention until test 7, and even then we're talking about ripple and noise that is less than 10mV p-p. 10mV! At it's absolute worse, we only measure 20mV p-p on the +12V rail during tests 9 and10. Simply amazing."

The corsair series cant do this if i recall. And stability in Power on the rails is VERY important in quads and overclocking.

So why are you telling people that its overkill when stability is what your truely paying for in the long run?
 

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so GIGABYTE GA-P35-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard for 239.99 is a good stable motherboard? also is Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor the processor ur talking about? it isnt listed as G0 so im not sure
 

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Originally posted by: juggalomike
so GIGABYTE GA-P35-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard for 239.99 is a good stable motherboard? also is Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor the processor ur talking about? it isnt listed as G0 so im not sure

tankguys.com

Thats your absolute gaurentee you'll get a G0.

They have them seperated. So you can pick a B3 which is cheaper, or a G0.

And yes, thats the most stable board i have ever worked with.
 

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I would get an Asus P5K Premium, or an Abit IP35 Pro before I even look at the DQ6.

but thats just me, dont eat me alive aigo :)
 

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Aigo, theres motherboards with some extra features on them over cheaper ones, but besides those extra features, they are basicaly identical and will offer the same stability and performance in the overclocking area. There's building a qaulity PC, and theres building an overkill PC. 130$ is by no means cheap for a motherboard. And ddr2 800mhz ballistix for 70$ or so is also very stable. In the end, there's things I'd rather invest in then buying overkill parts. Like watercooling for example which actually does offer extra performance and/or quietness over aircooling, whereas a very expensive motherboard or set of ram will not over cheaper parts.

Btw, going dual 8800's isn't that good of an idea with the newer generation of dx10 cards coming out in a couple of months, or sooner. By then, 1 of those new cards will outperform 2 8800's. Unless you want to run 2 of those newer cards in SLI, then I wouldn't invest in a huge PSU. And you would probably do well by waiting on x38 if you want to go SLI.
 

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Aigo, theres motherboards with some extra features on them over cheaper ones, but besides those extra features, they are basicaly identical and will offer the same stability and performance in the overclocking area. There's building a qaulity PC, and theres building an overkill PC. 130$ is by no means cheap for a motherboard. And ddr2 800mhz ballistix for 70$ or so is also very stable. In the end, there's things I'd rather invest in then buying overkill parts. Like watercooling for example which actually does offer extra performance and/or quietness over aircooling, whereas a very expensive motherboard or set of ram will not over cheaper parts.

Btw, going dual 8800's isn't that good of an idea with the newer generation of dx10 cards coming out in a couple of months, or sooner. By then, 1 of those new cards will outperform 2 8800's. Unless you want to run 2 of those newer cards in SLI, then I wouldn't invest in a huge PSU. And you would probably do well by waiting on x38 if you want to go SLI.

i never stated anything about running dual 8800GTX. The P35 cant support SLI.

The second PCI-E X16 or X8 is more intended for PhySX if thats your bling. Its also construction and durability that im talking about. Monster PSU's usually hold solid power over the +12V rail. Even JAG was jealous at my voltage readings on my P5K.

Originally posted by: JAG87
I would get an Asus P5K Premium, or an Abit IP35 Pro before I even look at the DQ6.

but thats just me, dont eat me alive aigo :)

O M G... P5K Premium i understand, but the IP35 Pro?? *shaking my head*

the current line on overclockers is between the P5K and DQ6. I recomended the DQ6 because there straight up easier to overclock then the P5K.

Also its a lot more noob friendly then the P5K. If you want a solid high performer in overclocking, and one thats extremely difficult because of all the options.

DFI P35 FTW! But good luck getting though all the cmos features. The only thing holding me back from getting this board is the upcoming X38. :p
 

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Well, different people have different opinion. Depending on the OP's o/c goal, cheaper alternative (yet still quality) could be a better choice so that he has more money to spend on other stuff. I agree that with high o/c for quad (like 3.3+ ghz) high-end motherboard is needed to ensure the stability of the system. Expensive motherboards do have better components for high o/c. So if the OP can tell us how far he wants to push his CPU and memory then we can offer him a better, more suitable parts. Personally, i don't have any experience with DQ6, but i did read a lot of reviews (mostly from xtremesystems.org since those people over there is pretty helpful in suggesting high o/c components). I see that Asus P5K premium has higher recommendations than most so that's why i picked the board. I know that IP35 pro has severe droop problem (not good for stable o/c) with quad set up. But it's the best in term of pricing in the high end segment. I never used Gigabyte board so i don't remember from the top of my head any serious issue with DQ6.

Then it comes to memory, if the OP doesn't even want to o/c, any reliable 800mhz would be fine. Higher than that would be overkill. Tighten timing in memory is like o/c the memory also. You need to test the stability of it and all of the tests require overnight running. Seeing that the OP is new in this field, this would add another headache to the whole experience. I know i did back in the day trying to tighten those damn BH5. For now, i think he just needs to overclock that quad of his at the stock memory speed. Then later when things settle, he can tighten the timing. Higher-spin stick might yield tighter timing but the performance gain would not be worth it.

For cooling, i did consider go water once but then looking at the cost/the performance gain, i would rather go with a nice phase setup. But for now, air is still the better choice for me. No maintenance is needed, the gain is acceptable, cost is low.

Dual GFX is never a good idea for me. Besides the bragging right, the setup itself loses its value extremely fast as soon as the next generation comes. Seeing that 8000 series has been on the market for a while, next generation is around the corner, dual 8800 is not recommended. You might save that money to buy dual 9800 gtx or the like if dual is really what you want. Unfortunately, those boards that we've suggested so far is not really SLI capable. at the moment only nvidia 680i boards would be able to do that. Those are older chipset compared to p35, the might not be that good at o/c, might have less feature, and other problems of their owns. I know many can get their quad more than 3.6 ghz but those are the few.

No matter what we say, HDD is still the slowest component in the whole set up. If you really need space then a raptor 150 for o/s and games and 500 for data would be the choice. You can go with one raptor for o/s, one raptor for game, 500 for data and caching. But if space is not an issue, just raid 0 a whole bunch of raptor then you get a speed demon right there. 300 gb of space is more than enough for any gaming machine.

And finally, what we have here is just purely suggestion/guideline. I would always recommend people to do their own research. Good luck on your quest.
 

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Originally posted by: hiepbiz

No matter what we say, HDD is still the slowest component in the whole set up. If you really need space then a raptor 150 for o/s and games and 500 for data would be the choice. You can go with one raptor for o/s, one raptor for game, 500 for data and caching. But if space is not an issue, just raid 0 a whole bunch of raptor then you get a speed demon right there. 300 gb of space is more than enough for any gaming machine.

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0727.jpg

4 x raptors in raid 0 :]

<waiting to get shot by people who thinks thats majorly overkill>

So yes ive tried almost every config possible. And yes im a speed demon.
 

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mark. the OP has 2.7k to spend on a computer. at this point nothing is overkill if it fits into his budget so if your going to just sit there and keep telling aigo and everyone that everything is too expensive, overkill, etc then please just lay off the mouse.

The DQ6 is a great board and do like aigo said and go to tankguys and get the G0. IM a AMD fanboy but in regards to the current performance standings go with the Intel on this one.