To all the wacko liberals who want to use 2,000 as some sort of arbitrary number to justify an immediate American withdrawl from Iraq, consider the following bit of history: During the American War for Independence (which lasted longer than the present war in Iraq) did you know that a total of 2,113 FRENCH soldiers died fighting on our side? What if France has said, "Well, 2,000 is our quota, sorry Americans, good luck in your fight for freedom..." Luckily, the French stayed the course. Its so sad that the biggest piece of news this week isn't about the ratification of the Iraqi constitution, but the big 2-0-0-0.
2,000 Dead, Better Pull Out Now! But then again...
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Please specificy which "wacko liberals" are using the number of U.S Deaths as a reason to withdrawl from the current Iraq conflict.
Most agree, I believe, that we should finish the job. There is no sense in leaving a country in shambles when the potential is there, allotting the correct amount of "hard work." Some would argue the France had much to gain by their cooperation with the Americans in the war for American Independence (i.e. land, gold, superiority over Britain). What do we get? We recieve ideological democratic support in the Middle East and oil. People choose what they believe to be most important; or at least, what can further the agenda.
It is also, I think hypocritical to use the number 2000 arbitrarily to further the support for the goals of the coalition (and namely America).
It is also, I think hypocritical to use the number 2000 arbitrarily to further the support for the goals of the coalition (and namely America).
:thumbsup:
The Iraqi Constitution has received little attention, and certainly not the attention it deserves.
Another 56,000 needless death of good American + millions more of Iraqi civilians before the Administration pull the troops out. See Vietnam War for reference.
But its to defend freedom from Saddam and Osama....they still have secret bases hidden in Iraq planning attacks on America.
Unfortunately, there are currently terrorists in Iraq who want to kill us. Do you want them to kill us? I believe we should fight them.
That doesn't quite follow. Even assuming Osama and Saddam have secret bases planning attacks on America, our current approach may not be the best way to "defend freedom". It's like refusing to replace my old, crappy, falling apart car because "it gets me to work". And so it does, but a new car could do so in a cheaper, faster, and more reliable fashion.
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
You wrote Bush's speaches didn't you?
Well, you sure didn't write any speaches.
What is the interest in blindingly simplistic points of view like this? This isn't a movie, and we're try to, you know, prevent another 9/11. Tough talk is not as effective as you people seem to think.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Well, you sure didn't write any speaches.
Grammar police?
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Well, you sure didn't write any speaches.
lol
13Gigatons
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Those big wars really mattered, this little country club war that will turn Iraq into another Iran or a country filled with people bitter against the United States. You can't kill 117,000 people and torture people and think they will love America.
The effect of this war will be felt for decades.
It's not quite tough talk. I do consider it to be simplistic, as you say. However, in principle, I do believe what I said. Prevent another 9/11, you say? Is there a fallancy in the methodology of taking the fight to the enemy?
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
lol, I love it
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edit: I believe that it is quite obvious that ignoring the threat does not work, as evidenced by the Clinton (U.S.S. Cole) and early Bush Redux administration.
Seriously. I never wanted the war in the first place and have wanted a pull out since our first soldier arrived. 2000 is just another tragic number in Dick and Dubya's excellent adventure.
2,000 is not an arbitrary number. It is the actual literal number of American boys & girls who are dead because of Bushchenneyrummyrice's lies. If those in charge don't like people mentioning 2,000 dead Americans, they're really aren't going to like it when they are forced to hear '3,000 dead Americans' and the '4,000 dead Americans, but that is what they are going to hear. Madness.
Killing civilians on 9/11 only added to the American cause.
Is there a viable plan to secure the borders? In all seriousness, do you have a link? I'd like to familiarize myself with the subject. Who runs on this platform?
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As usual, those opposing the war will mark this milestone in completely the wrong way. A progressive worthy of the name would have wistfully mourned the loss of so many men with the regret that if we had done the morally right thing 25 or 30 years ago like we should have, there would have been both less Americans killed and an entire generation of Iraqis wouldn't have suffered a complete loss of thier human rights under a genocidal dictator.
Instead, the left of today will mourn with crocodile tears the dead, and despair of the cost to the Treasury. Like the accountant who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing, the left in this country is completely oblivious to the value of the principle of standing up for human rights and are instead dwelling on the costs and dreaming of what social programs they'd have funded with it instead. Faced with the choice between supporting their ideals and their baser desires, they betrayed their ideals and would have left yet another generation of "brown skinned people" (which IMHO they secretly hold in complete disregard, if not contempt - notice their unveiled assertions that Arabs aren't mentally or culturally disposed to democracy) to the whims of a genocidal madman.
Instead, the left of today will mourn with crocodile tears the dead, and despair of the cost to the Treasury. Like the accountant who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing, the left in this country is completely oblivious to the value of the principle of standing up for human rights and are instead dwelling on the costs and dreaming of what social programs they'd have funded with it instead. Faced with the choice between supporting their ideals and their baser desires, they betrayed their ideals and would have left yet another generation of "brown skinned people" (which IMHO they secretly hold in complete disregard, if not contempt - notice their unveiled assertions that Arabs aren't mentally or culturally disposed to democracy) to the whims of a genocidal madman.
Oh, I think Muslim civilians were being killed on mass long before 9/11, but hey the terrorists are crazy, they couldn't have possibly done 9/11 because of innocent civilians being killed, nope.
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