1GB of Corsair XMS3500 = smooth sailing @ 392mhz!

Leo V

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UPDATE: At 2.7V, passed MemTest86 @ cas2227, 386ddr. However, at normal 2.6V, it can only pass cas 2337 at 384 and below.

Last night I finally got my two 512-megger Corsair XMS3500cas2 sticks. As many of you know, Thugsrook and others had no success running previous (xms3000 and 3200) sticks in pairs with 3:4 ratio, using the popular P4B533 mobo. Even 355mhz (133fsb) was impossible before with 1GB RAM.... well, not any longer! :D

I have officially passed MemTest86 eleven times in a row (before I ended the test) at 392mhz with cas 2.5-3-3-7 (using Asus default 2.6V ddr voltage). Specs: 2.26B @ 2.5ghz/1.50Vcore, Asus P4B533, 147fsb:392ddr using Alpha PAL8942, AS3, and a near-silent Panaflo L1A @ 7volts. (pic with opened cover) I will test higher, but this is my normal speed.

Unfortunately, stricter timings failed at 392mhz: both cas2336 and cas 2327 caused errors at 65% in MemTest86. My testing (inconclusively) suggests that cas 2327 should be possible in the 380's, because the errors were minimal by the time I got down to 392. I also ran using 1:1 ratio, at 147fsb:294ddr with cas2225 without problems, but I haven't tested it more thoroughly. Also, I tried 133fsb:355ddr with cas 2226 and it seemed to work. However, these are yet unconfirmed--they worked through the first 30 sec of MemTest86 and worked in Windows, but they may not be reliable under further testing.

My conclusion: if you want 1GB of fast DDR memory, this 5ns memory is IT. If I understand previous results correctly, this two-stick pair beats dual-XMS3200 or dual-XMS3000 by a long shot. It won't run as high as my single XMS3200c2, but it comes fairly close. Close enough that I'm only losing maybe 1-3% performance from the higher CAS settings. Once Granite Bay comes around, it will be time to bottom out those CAS settings!
Leo
 

Duvie

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NICE!!!

Are you going to push that 2.26ghz higher when GB comes??? What if reports of 1:1 ratios only on the GB boards are true (at least at first). At current you would only be running at 294mhz or just at pc2400.

I amconsidering selling my corsair pc3000 cas 2 (512mb) and getting some quality (maybe corsair again) pc2700 cas 2 in 2 256mb modules. I run at 171fsb so my speed will only be 342mhz ddr which I can run at very fast timings already.

What do you think??? Are ther 3:4,4:5, or 5:6 ratios coming???


If there is a possibility ratios will come I would lean towards 4:5 ratio since at a default 533fsb P4b chip it would make 166 or 333mhz ddr which intel has officialy supported with their last PE chipset release.
I likely will wait about 3-4 weeks and see the reviews unfold things. If 4:5 is it I would have a hard time running any current modules possibly in a tandem since it would be 426mhz ddr....I would likley be stuck in the same situation I am now with 171fsb and 3:4 ratio currently. I would have to take a large cpu mhz drop to get it to run!!!:(
 

Bobbyeyes

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Quote by Duvie:
"What do you think??? Are ther 3:4,4:5, or 5:6 ratios coming???"

Well.... i am sure you boys will figure THAT out..:)
Documented or Undocumented:D
(i see jumper blocks on those mobos)


 

Leo V

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Duvie--I'll probably get a C1 chip along with a Granite Bay around Christmas time. My current 2.26B can do 2.62ghz @1.5V and around 2.8ghz @1.7V, but that requires a LOUD fan to prevent heat from causing errors. I'll trade 10% performance for silence anyday :)

Because Granite Bay already matches FSB bandwidth with memory bandwidth, I doubt 3:4 or 4:5 ratios will help much. Maybe the excess memory bandwidth could be useful for AGP8X transfers... But I suspect running at Cas 2-2-2-5 may be more useful. Either way, this memory should allow both choices.
 

THUGSROOK

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you aint gonna see mem ratios for GBay.
if you do its purely marketing...

system bus bandwidth
133fsb 4x = 4200mb
166fsb 4x = 5400mb
200fsb 4x = 6400mb

DCDDR memory bandwidth
133fsb PC2100 x 2 = PC4200
166fsb PC2700 x 2 = PC5400
200fsb PC3200 x 2 = PC6400

if you add memory ratios the system bus will be too small to handle the extra memory bandwidth.

:D

<EDIT> LEO beat me to the answer ;)
 

Duvie

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I can agree with that Thugs, but let us remember most time rated pc speed never gets that much...Ie pc2700 in a i845 mobo usually only gets like 2500's....I and you have ran at 440mhz ddr which is higher then pc3500 rating yet we ony get 3300's. That plus the fact in an older review back aways said we shouldn't expect these things to scale like that.


If we look at www.hardocp.coms results he got 4000 with dual 333mhz ddr so that would be about the point a P4b chip at 533fsb would be pretty well taken careof...According to the theory we should have gotten 5400...If I remember correctly in that review and I will admit it was early and things could have gotten better the dual pc2100 was getting around 3300-3400's not 4200 in sissoft sandra scores for bandwidth.


But that is a great point and I may be over analysing it. That may be how the good old marketing boys will see it to, all theoretical numbers...pc2100x2 = 4200---533mhz fsb chips = 4200mb of bandwidth, and dual ddr mean double....
 

Bobbyeyes

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what will hyper threading do for bandwith?
i know it will probably apply to only certain applications.
 

Tab

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Wow! Heh, I really want to see some benchmarks with the Granite Bay Mobo!
 

SupermanCK

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Originally posted by: Bobbyeyes
what will hyper threading do for bandwith?
i know it will probably apply to only certain applications.

yeah...and it should slow down bandwidth by a tab bit if the tech is right...nothing is free ya know...

Originally posted by: Tabb
Wow! Heh, I really want to see some benchmarks with the Granite Bay Mobo!

hee hee...so does everyone in the world...but it won't be out till nov. 14th...stupid release contracts...:|

you leo v...so what happened to your old rams??? ;) what was it again?
 

Bobbyeyes

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TYAN seems to be an overlooked mobo manuf. on this board.
when TYAN releases their version, and i like what i see in the bios(via manual download)
i will try it. I have always liked tyan , but ASUS seemed to be what the heavy hitters on anandtech seem to like.
 

John

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Nice job Leo, but please do something about that birds nest in your case. ;)
 

ErikaeanLogic

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edited, since I needed Leo to help me distinguish between the numbers 3200 and 3500:p.

Thanks for the encouraging post, Leo, I'm really looking forward to putting in my pair of XMS3500's now:).

Erik
 

Leo V

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Erik, if you read my post I am using XMS3500 memory. That one uses 5ns Winbond chips.
 

ErikaeanLogic

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True, Leo, sorry:). I was at a LAN party for 21 hours straight and so my brain is a little fragged out. Hmm, maybe I ought to ban myself from posting within 24 hours of these events. . .;)

Edited my previous post, thanks for the info:).

Erik
 

THUGSROOK

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Originally posted by: LukFilm
Wait, so is using anything higher than PC2100 useless in a DCDDR board?
howd you come to that conclusion?

youll take a huge hit running 2 sticks of ram right now (it takes PC3500 to run PC3200 speeds)
 

Leo V

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Hey guys,

Yes, my 300watt Seasonic APFC PSU is hacked open and modded with a 5-volted Panaflo... up and close pic The grille aperture is taped shut, so air is forcibly pulled from the front to the back of the PSU.

Here's my thread for the GeForce4 ti4200/128mb with a 5-volted Panaflo... it's still running at 310/575mhz and capable of 320/595.

Total fans = 5v Panaflo L1A for PSU (~12dBA noise), 5v Panaflo L1A for GeForce4 (~12dBA noise) and 7v Panaflo L1A for CPU (~15dBA noise) = total noise level of about 18 dBA :)

Case temps: 32C idle, 35C after heavy CPU/videocard usage (John, that Seasonic PSU has lots of cables, but I got them mostly out of harm's way.)

CPU temps: 37C idle, 61C after any of Prime95/UT2003/GTA3, and 66C after BURNP6.EXE.
--Leo

PS: I was going to write up a mini-article, but I wanted to do a few more things--Granite Bay, C1-stepping P4, and using a Papst fan @9V for the cpu (slightly less noise, and more airflow).
 

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Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
Originally posted by: ManojM
I got my 1GB Corsair XMS 3500 to run at 435mhz.
on what board?

mxocr ~ nice overclock :)

Northwood 2.4Ghz @ 3.15Ghz
Asus P4PE Deluxe (Intel 845PE)
1GB Corsair XMS 3500 CAS2 (DDR 434mhz)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (438 mhz core and 378 mhz mem)
Samsung SyncMaster 1200NF (22" Flat CRT Monitor)
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