Anyone know if there are any 19inch s-PVA/MVA LCD's out there. Its not the type of thing sellers list which makes it tough and most seem to be wrong anyway, I don't know how many times I've seen the samsung 971P listed as a s-PVA.
19inch s-PVA / s-MVA LCDs
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The Samsung 971P is an S-PVA. Dell's 1907FPV is S-PVA (same panel as Samsung). I believe HP has a 19" S-MVA, check on flatpanels.dk panel search.
Are there any high quality 19" displays?
It was my understanding that 19" displays were introduced to rake in quick cash due to the lower pixel density and supposed larger screen area. Put a 17" closer to your face, and you'll get the same effect as a 19" that's further away because both use the same resolution. People really thought they were getting a bargain with the 19-inchers.
Note that I'm talking about 5:4 displays here, not widescreens.
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no need to go for smaller screen
as for your problem, look at $300+ 19" LCD on newegg.com with viewing angle of 176°(H) / 176°(V) or 178°(H) / 178°(V).. .those are S-*VA or S-IPS screens.
as for your problem, look at $300+ 19" LCD on newegg.com with viewing angle of 176°(H) / 176°(V) or 178°(H) / 178°(V).. .those are S-*VA or S-IPS screens.
971P isnt a s-PVA, its just a PVA. Even the buyer guide here has it listed as PVA. Same go for the dell, its a MVA panel.
http://www.prad.de/en/guide/ergebniss_v...y=price&order_order=asc&Submit=Compare
the HP L1955 is a M-PVA, but I haven't found it anywhere...
Actually some PVA and MVA panels also have a 178v/h angle or at least manufacturer specs will list them that way, so that doesn't really hold true.
errr.. anyway, does anyone know if MVA panels are a true 8bit? With samsungs PVA it seems to be a bit sketchy if its dithered or not, is the MVA in the same boat?
The HP LP1965 uses a Chi Mei S-MVA panel. You can find them at newegg and HP's site. The small amount of review info I've seen looks good, just wish I could find a really in depth review of one.
Despite my current uncertainty, Samsung has the 971P listed as "SPVA" in several places. The latest rev, I believe, is a true 8-bit as well. Same goes for the 1907FPV which is a S-PVA, not an MVA.
What specifically are you looking for? (what's wrong with a regular PVA?)
"PVA" vs. "S-PVA" wouldn't indicate 8-bit one way or the other.
Also, from an e-mail:
Dell 1907FPV is LTM190E4-L02 (true 8-bit). Apparently some 971Ps are L31 (6-bit+Hi-FRC). Hardly makes a difference anyhow. Hi-FRC is great these days. Don't sweat it too much, if you're worried just grab the 1907FPV to be sure. Both are high contrast panels.
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Yeah, MVA, PVA, S-PVA, there are differences among them, but difference between any of them and TN is a real difference.
also Samsung panels should all be either TN or S-PVA, like xtknight says.
also Samsung panels should all be either TN or S-PVA, like xtknight says.
I had my parents buy a Dell 1907FPV last October and I can vouch for it. It doesn't have the vision angle sensitivity of the 1907FP (TN panel) I have at work. I have recently looked at a few high-def videos on the 1907FPV and they were great-looking.
Also, it seems to me text looks better on the FPV vs the FP. I can best describe the effet by saying it seems more "stable", more relaxing to look at. Hard to explain.
The Samsung web site lists the LTM190E4 panel in the 1907FPV (I checked in the factory menu) as PVA, not S-PVA, but it is hard to tell by the specs what is the practical difference between both types of panels
PVA panels usually have four domains of cells, while S-PVAs have eight. Eight gives you wider viewing angles and higher brightness but it has no bearing on color depth.
The FPV (*PVA) version looks more stable as the whole screen of a TN is just a complete approximation of the actual image with subtle nuances of brightness depending on the direction in which you look at it. PVAs are still an approximation, but just a much better one since they have 4x or 8x as many cells to work with.
Thanks for the explanations xtknight. I am glad to know that my impression is supported by facts.
Would there be any noticeable difference between a S-PVA and a S-MVA panel? I'm thinking about the HP LP1965 6ms S-MVA, just can't find very much info about how good it is. I need something that can work decently well for gaming while still having good color and viewing angles. I'm wondering if it even uses an 8bit panel also.
S-PVA vs S-MVA...hm hard to say really as I haven't used both panels side-by-side but there wouldn't be much difference in viewing angle. Contrast may be a tad higher on the S-PVA (though like I say it could go either way). In a nutshell, no not really, there is not much difference. Color characteristics may vary though as different manufacturers apply different gamma curves to their panels. LGs tend to be fairly dark and vibrant (and are the closest to accuracy), Chi Meis tend to be a little overbright, and Samsungs tend to be rather accurate although the grayscale on them can be a tad lopsided.
Thanks, xtknight. I guess I'll just give myself a bit more time to dig around for reviews and comments on that HP. I thought about a 22inch WS, but I'm kinda sensitive to color shift with change in viewing angle, so I figured I'd just be better off getting a nice 19inch with a S-PVA or S-MVA panel. I'm sure I can get something nice for the 350 budget I'm giving myself.
Go for the Acer AL2051Ws (glossy 20.1" widescreen with true 8-bit P-MVA). 19" panels are largely 6-bit anyhow and they have rather low-res compared to a nice 20" widescreen you could have.
I've considered that, its just that the reduction in vertical height the last time I had to use a 20inch WS bugged me. A 22inch would be nice if they made them with S-PVA/MVA panels. Are there any 19inch on the market with 8bit S-PVA/MVA that are fast enough to game on in my price range, or are there not any and I'd be better off just getting used to a 20inch WS? I've got to get something, my 19inch CRT is showing its age 
Perhaps it won't be as bad going from this CRT here at home to a 20WS compared to elsewhere when I've used 19inch and 20WS LCD panels side by side.
Perhaps it won't be as bad going from this CRT here at home to a 20WS compared to elsewhere when I've used 19inch and 20WS LCD panels side by side.Originally posted by: bloodugly
I've considered that, its just that the reduction in vertical height the last time I had to use a 20inch WS bugged me. A 22inch would be nice if they made them with S-PVA/MVA panels. Are there any 19inch on the market with 8bit S-PVA/MVA that are fast enough to game on in my price range, or are there not any and I'd be better off just getting used to a 20inch WS? I've got to get something, my 19inch CRT is showing its age
A 20" ws would be a better option for gaming. The Samsung 971P or Dell 1907FPV may be a tad slow for gaming (though acceptable for most). The reduction in vertical height doesn't bother me since it's higher res vertically anyhow. Just a small dot pitch==a finer image.
If your going for a 20" you might want to consider the HP LP2065, this is what I'll be going with. Spendy but comes with an S-IPS panel which cant be beat for the price. Anything even remotely like it seems you be spending at least $100+ more.
Its not quite a lottery like the dell panels are. As far as Ive seen there have only been 2 confirmed A-MVA panels, its questionable if HP has switched or not. In any case you just want to contact who your buying from and make sure your getting the latter reversion. Its all labeled on the box so I cant imagine it being that big of a deal.
...but then again, I'm trying with newegg as we speak so I'll let you know.
...but then again, I'm trying with newegg as we speak so I'll let you know.
Yeah, let me know how it goes with getting one with the "good" panel
Surely there's more than 2 panels out there like that....that'd be an odd manufacturing decision
Surely there's more than 2 panels out there like that....that'd be an odd manufacturing decision
Well thats what was compiled on the Hard Forums, but its anyone guess. Its not like HP is going to come out and shoot themselves in the foot. My guess would be the two A-MVA panels might have been 'refurbished' deals people got.
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