1920x1200 15.4inch lcd

[humanentity]

i was getting info about notebooks and i found this at dell

TFT UltraSharp WUXGA 15,4 inches max resolution1920x1200 pixels 16,8 M colors

this is the display for some of the dell notebooks, i though that was an error and checked on google and discovered that there are a bunch of notebooks with displays with far superior resolutions comparing to desktop displays of the same size.

Then i looked for desktop displays of those kind of resolutions and i got no one.

The question is
why?

is this absurd or not:

DELL Precision M60 notebook (a portable computer + 15.4 inch lcd 1920x1200) about 1600$

an average 1920x1200 lcd display for desktop (ONLY THE DISPLAY) has to be a >21 inches usually a 22 or 23 inches one for about 2000$

 

[imported_Harbinger]

Looks strange indeed but I dont think its would be nice to see 1920x1200 on such a small monitor as 15.4''
It would be like using 1280 on an old 14'' crt. Everything SO small.

Besides I would never buy a 19+ inch lcd/tft monitor for games. Lcds have to run in native resolution for optimal image quality so getting a large monitor, then playing in a much lower resolutions than the native one = bad blurry image.

 

[Concillian]

I've been hoping for a true resolution (dpi) increase for a LONG time.

However the real issue with it is that windows is built around standard dpi fonts. When you start scaling the fonts, dialog boxes start looking really interesting. I hope this is fixed to some extent with Longhorn. I definitely expect true resolution improvement to take place at some point. We can only deal with ~100 dpi for so long. Eventually screens will give printer-like resolution in the 300-600 dpi range, and then monitors will TRULY kick ass.

 

[Abhi]

You ll get a Inspiron 8600 with a 15.4 inch 19xx X 12xx display for around $1100

 

[Peter]

Originally posted by: Harbinger
Looks strange indeed but I dont think its would be nice to see 1920x1200 on such a small monitor as 15.4''
It would be like using 1280 on an old 14'' crt. Everything SO small.

No it wouldn't. Why does everyone think higher resolution equals smaller visuals? In fact, on today's operating systems, it means your icons and text characters are the same size as before, but are consisting of more pixels.
The same letter A that has been ten pixels high on 800x600 resolution will be twenty pixels on a 1920x1200 display of the same physical size. Guess which A will look better and be more readable - the lego staircase in 800x600 or the smooth one.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Concillian
I've been hoping for a true resolution (dpi) increase for a LONG time.

However the real issue with it is that windows is built around standard dpi fonts. When you start scaling the fonts, dialog boxes start looking really interesting. I hope this is fixed to some extent with Longhorn. I definitely expect true resolution improvement to take place at some point. We can only deal with ~100 dpi for so long. Eventually screens will give printer-like resolution in the 300-600 dpi range, and then monitors will TRULY kick ass.

I actually prefer the large box sizes and text when you use large DPIs. Text is a lot sharper and more defined.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Harbinger
Looks strange indeed but I dont think its would be nice to see 1920x1200 on such a small monitor as 15.4''
It would be like using 1280 on an old 14'' crt. Everything SO small.

Besides I would never buy a 19+ inch lcd/tft monitor for games. Lcds have to run in native resolution for optimal image quality so getting a large monitor, then playing in a much lower resolutions than the native one = bad blurry image.

I have a 15" UXGA laptop (1600x1200), and it makes a huge difference in productivity having that much more work space I can have several chat windows open, keep and eye on a web page, and even be typing up something at the same time... Now if you want the same thing for desktop you pretty much need a dual display setup or a large CRT or a 20+" LCD which go for well over $600, closer to $1000.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Concillian
I've been hoping for a true resolution (dpi) increase for a LONG time.

However the real issue with it is that windows is built around standard dpi fonts. When you start scaling the fonts, dialog boxes start looking really interesting. I hope this is fixed to some extent with Longhorn. I definitely expect true resolution improvement to take place at some point. We can only deal with ~100 dpi for so long. Eventually screens will give printer-like resolution in the 300-600 dpi range, and then monitors will TRULY kick ass.

I can't wait for OLEDs 🙂

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Peter

Originally posted by: Harbinger
Looks strange indeed but I dont think its would be nice to see 1920x1200 on such a small monitor as 15.4''
It would be like using 1280 on an old 14'' crt. Everything SO small.

No it wouldn't. Why does everyone think higher resolution equals smaller visuals? In fact, on today's operating systems, it means your icons and text characters are the same size as before, but are consisting of more pixels.
The same letter A that has been ten pixels high on 800x600 resolution will be twenty pixels on a 1920x1200 display of the same physical size. Guess which A will look better and be more readable - the lego staircase in 800x600 or the smooth one.

Funny, I run WinXP at 1600x1200 and just switched to 800x600 and my icons and text got huge. So what were you saying?

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Funny, I run WinXP at 1600x1200 and just switched to 800x600 and my icons and text got huge. So what were you saying?

You have to fiddle with DPI and font settings to get what Peter's talking about, and even then it won't always work right, because some (in my experience more than just a few) applications don't follow the proper conventions.

 

[trikster2]

Originally posted by: Peter

Originally posted by: Harbinger
Looks strange indeed but I dont think its would be nice to see 1920x1200 on such a small monitor as 15.4''
It would be like using 1280 on an old 14'' crt. Everything SO small.

No it wouldn't. Why does everyone think higher resolution equals smaller visuals? In fact, on today's operating systems, it means your icons and text characters are the same size as before, but are consisting of more pixels.
The same letter A that has been ten pixels high on 800x600 resolution will be twenty pixels on a 1920x1200 display of the same physical size. Guess which A will look better and be more readable - the lego staircase in 800x600 or the smooth one.

true in theory, but in fact font scalling to match higher resolutions is not seemless on XP, or even on the macs.

I work with a 1920x1200 on my D800 all day every day, I am ALWAYS dorking with font size/zooming in/out to make the dang thing readable. Before I got the D800 I did not even know that ctrl+ can zoom in on a web page in firefox, I use that feature a million times a day now.

 

[imported_halcyon]

And if web browser is the only tool you use, one wonders if there's really need for 1920x1200 🙂

After all, most pro tools have fixed icon/palette/toolbar sizes.

Those get so miniscule at higher resolutions (1920x1200) and small sizes (15") that it gets really difficult hitting them with precision or even identifying them from each other.

And there is NO WAY to scale those bitmaps properly.

So, until Longhorn (+ all apps upgraded to the longhorn graphic model, which will take a loooooong time), we are stuck with 100dpi if we want to have something usable in all apps.

 

[Dubb]

along the same lines, what would you have to do to steal the lcd out of a busted laptop and run it as an external monitor? keeping a second LCD in my backpack for portable dual monitor goodness would rule.

needs a power supply (off the shelf?) and a breakout cable for the VGA input...(I assume it's vga and not dvi, right?)

 

[Alptraum]

Originally posted by: Dubb
along the same lines, what would you have to do to steal the lcd out of a busted laptop and run it as an external monitor? keeping a second LCD in my backpack for portable dual monitor goodness would rule.

needs a power supply (off the shelf?) and a breakout cable for the VGA input...(I assume it's vga and not dvi, right?)

The LCD to laptop interface is generally proprietary . They are pricey. Its possible to do what you are talking about. But its time consuming and expensive. There are some guides out there on the web if you are really interested. I think the controllers you need are usually in the $200+ range.

 

[humanentity]

i have read about longhorn and its AERO GLASS feature. Ppl is talking about the convenience of higher dpi displays. maybe this will turn into a pressure over panel makers to release those notebook "super lcds" as desktops displays.