And when I said,
I was being sarcastic and reflecting what you did. Notice the "Actually I would consider Xbit the most green biased site on the net. It's no suprise that the greenfanboys here always quote that site above all others.
"Fact is, you're just an NV fairyboy who is getting bent out of shape that people are seeing your thread for what it really is and misreading everything in between.
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A.) That was not in Frackal's thread.
B.) I was illustrating how ATI people try and discredit every site that shows NVIDIA doing well. Like Hardocp, Tech Report, nV News, etc. So far you have been missing the irony at every turn
C.) You guys are doing your best to derail this thread, which is kind of sad on your part that it upsets you this much. Xbit did a good review. Better than FS in my opinion.
I'm sorry, you're right. Your comments are so similar in all of the threads and I got confused. Here is what you did say in Frackal's thread:
I would hope newer drivers would do nothing but improve those scores. How many people were/are still using the 6.3's and such? Besides, if you really do agree with condpower27 about disabling optimizations for one card and not the other, your own bench didn't exactly show both cards at the same optimizations. Instead you just argue that Nvidia's "Quality" settings are just as good as ATI's "High Quality" settings.
You take my sarcastic post and claim it was a fanboy statement and now I'm the one missing the irony?
That's what the problem is, you see benches that give Nvidia less stress and lower optimizations as better. Whatever makes you feel more comfortable about those investments I guess.
Wreckage: So if this thread was completely 'on the rails' what would it achieve? Do you want others to buy the 7900? Why? If you personally want to buy the 7900 then buy it, you will be very happy I'm sure. The truth is there is very little difference between these cards...
...However there is _some_ difference. If you look here or just google for reviews, you will find the x1900 averages out a few percent faster overall. Such a methodology will cancel out any bias, assuming nVidia bias and ATI bias are equal and opposite, therefore giving you something pretty close to an accurate test. I did this before buying my card, worth it I thought, since it was so expensive. The ATI averages out a few percent faster overall. Really it does.
There is also an arguement that the RD580 will do better in next gen games because of it's high pixel shader count. This is speculation, but speculation by electronic enineers about electronics is usually worth listening to.
What Josh said. My fault...I meant the HDR+AA thread...but you did come into Frackal's thread and try to discredit that too because it's not on your "list" of acceptable sites.
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Nice, so calling you on your very selective quoting of an article is now trolling, flaimbait, and denial...? Your interpretation of the article in itself is interesting...
Your thread title is "1900XTX Still Lags in Latest Reviews", wereas the review about the X1900XTX that you reference is called "First Among Equals: ASUS EAX1900XTX/2DHTV/512M Review". It seems that what they were meaning to say and what you heard are two different things.
You also need to get your facts straight before you start calling people fanboys. I'm quite certain than I've owned way more nVidia cards than you this past year, and I've purchased well over double nVidia cards than ATI. It is true that between the X1900XTX and the 7900GTX I prefer the XTX, but at least I have first hand knowledge of both, and I don't have to go picking apart articles to find snippets of text support some one sided agenda.
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Normally I would skip over Wreckage's post as I have his posts filtered on my computer at home but I'm bored, at work, and no filters. Wreckage is a self admitted troll whose purpose on these boards is to p!ss off ATI users so is it any wonder he is misquoting an article to make the X1900 look bad? As for as out of context quotes, he has done this with my posts more than once to redicule me or to completely change the context of what I was saying. So again, nothing new here.
So the new "troll" is now the "viral marketer" and it's a general accusation thrown out at anyone with the least bit of objectivity to your point of view. Now, for someone like 5150Joker, I agree with the message of his post even if I disagree with the way he says it at times or the extremes he goes to in his arguments. But to call him a viral marketer for ATI is stupid. This is the same 5150Joker that has been pimping his new laptop and especially it's GPU the last couple of months. And the laptop contains....an nVidia GPU. Someone like BFG whom most consider pretty level headed was ok until he did some testing that showed ATI in a positive light. But after that he suddenly became an ATI fanboy. Most of the people being labeled as ATI fanboys (including myself) also seem to have owned both ATI and nVidia hardware in the past. Isn't it just possible that we like ATI's current offerings because we feel it is superior? Heck, I myself even waited after the X1900's release to guage how it performs against the 7900GTX before making my purchase decision. That must have been fanboyism too.
I am a fan of Xbitlabs and do consider them unbiased but I have not been a big fan of their last couple of reviews. As for HardOCP, I like their reviews even though it's said they are "green" because they show some information I consider relevant that most reviews do not. And that's the min and max frame rate as well as average frames per second. I think most sites are unbiased and try to give a fair reviews. I do not think there is a perfect review out there and as such, I use different sites and check multiple reviews to get a better picture of the opposing cards.
So the new "troll" is now the "viral marketer" and it's a general accusation thrown out at anyone with the least bit of objectivity to your point of view. Now, for someone like 5150Joker, I agree with the message of his post even if I disagree with the way he says it at times or the extremes he goes to in his arguments. But to call him a viral marketer for ATI is stupid. This is the same 5150Joker that has been pimping his new laptop and especially it's GPU the last couple of months. And the laptop contains....an nVidia GPU. Someone like BFG whom most consider pretty level headed was ok until he did some testing that showed ATI in a positive light. But after that he suddenly became an ATI fanboy. Most of the people being labeled as ATI fanboys (including myself) also seem to have owned both ATI and nVidia hardware in the past. Isn't it just possible that we like ATI's current offerings because we feel it is superior? Heck, I myself even waited after the X1900's release to guage how it performs against the 7900GTX before making my purchase decision. That must have been fanboyism too.
I am a fan of Xbitlabs and do consider them unbiased but I have not been a big fan of their last couple of reviews. As for HardOCP, I like their reviews even though it's said they are "green" because they show some information I consider relevant that most reviews do not. And that's the min and max frame rate as well as average frames per second. I think most sites are unbiased and try to give a fair reviews. I do not think there is a perfect review out there and as such, I use different sites and check multiple reviews to get a better picture of the opposing cards.
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I think you hit on some pretty important points, not the least of which is that you really do have to look at a number of review sites to get a good picture of what the facts are. While I think their settings for this review were not really representative of what someone with one of these cards actually uses, I do have to commend Xbit for clearly displaying them. I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but a lot of times when I get done with a review I still have basic questions about the settings used. AT is actually guilty of this as well. They publish benchmarks that say 4xAA and NoAA, and when we called them on not using AF, someone from the staff popped into the forums saying that they always used AF. If that's the case, why not label the graphs as such...? Needless to say, I have no idea what settings in terms of HQ, Q, AAA, SSAA, trilinear opts, v-sync, etc... AT uses when they benchmark.
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A self admitted what? I can call that an outright lie. I have said that I take sides against people like you. I guess anyone who does not agree with you is a troll.
You have added nothing to this thread. I'm sure if the last few Xbit reviews had shown ATI in a more postive light you would have liked them better. Why you, munky, ackmed, joker, etc. seem to take it personally and go so far as to lie, flame, go off topic, etc. to maintain your veiw of the world is beyond me.
BACK ON TOPIC.
Xbit does some of the best reviews, and they used 17 games which gives a better idea overall of how each card will perform. It's the newest review I have seen so it should give the best idea of current performance.
Hey beggerking he couldn't put me in that list because at the time he had written it I hadn't dumped on his thread. About the only thing remotely bad I have written in this thread was telling him to take his green blinders off so that he could see that he has done the same thing in others threads about ATI doing good. You reap what you sow.
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Wreckage. You never called yourself a troll per se but you admitted to saying that you were on AT forums to p!ss off ATI users. Which is one of my definition of a trolls since you weren't there for an intelligent discussion but to elicit negative response from others. I would say the same thing about anyone who is championing ATI and specifically stated he is here to p!ss off nVidia users.
I'm paraphrasing what you said since I do not have your post archived nor do I wish to search for it since it is over a year old. It's possible that it is erased from the archives. It's also likely that you have edited it out and deleted what you said. Which is why you're denying it but that would be lame since if you said it, don't deny it. Plenty of people saw the post.
When you first got here, no one minded that you were pro-nVidia. However, anyone trying to discuss anything with you in a mature fashion received only FUD and ramblings from you. Not to mention insults. You did not add anything to any discussions but merely fanned the flames. So while you never explicitly called yourself a troll, what you did admit to being your reason for being on these forums makes you a troll. Your actions since have solidified my assertations that you are in fact a troll. I stand by what I said.
I'm paraphrasing what you said since I do not have your post archived nor do I wish to search for it since it is over a year old. It's possible that it is erased from the archives. It's also likely that you have edited it out and deleted what you said. Which is why you're denying it but that would be lame since if you said it, don't deny it. Plenty of people saw the post.
When you first got here, no one minded that you were pro-nVidia. However, anyone trying to discuss anything with you in a mature fashion received only FUD and ramblings from you. Not to mention insults. You did not add anything to any discussions but merely fanned the flames. So while you never explicitly called yourself a troll, what you did admit to being your reason for being on these forums makes you a troll. Your actions since have solidified my assertations that you are in fact a troll. I stand by what I said.
I would try and name a "twin" for you, but I believe you are a "special" individual with no equal.
Originally posted by: josh6079
I would try and name a "twin" for you, but I believe you are a "special" individual with no equal.
What do you think the SETI project is for?
OT, I also wished sites would use the highest IQ settings to test. As other's have stated, who buys those cards and doesn't turn the settings up??
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