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[Zebo]

Everything is so slow.. just normal things you know like launching proggies.. closing 50 avant tabs takes even a couple seconds then the noise.. Thing is just web browsing/adobeing and sounds like a aircraft turbine. Anyway back to party.

 

[tvdang7]

sounds like a dell he probably need to reformat cuz of all that junk hte companies put on there.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Overclock it for him so it will keep him warm this winter.

 

[sandorski]

Flame him!

 

[bjc112]

It can't be that bad can it!?!!

 

[tvdang7]

no its not that bad im 99.9 % sure it NOt a custom built PC and it IS from dell,hp,ect adn its preloaded with all this BS and its all boggin it down.

 

[Duvie]

no even prebuilt ones suck!!! I know I have played with one from a builder who knows how to set up PCs...nothing bogging it down...just the throttling!!!

 

[Hikari]

Get real, I have a system with an 830 in it, and it certainly never feels slow. Perhaps some older steppings have throttling problems, or the cooling system is bad? This system I use has an XP-90 and a good fan on it. For average use (other than games perhaps) you shouldn't be able to tell the difference from a well-built AMD or Intel system. Anyone else is a fanboi/girl. I mean, I have both systems and they both feel fairly similar (on comparable hardware).

Could be the Dell though. At work we have HP/Compaq stuff, and they always feel blah until I do a fresh install of XP on them.

That turbine engine sound is -definitely- the stock Intel HSF. My god that that thing makes your ears ring if the CPU gets warm.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: tvdang7
no its not that bad im 99.9 % sure it NOt a custom built PC and it IS from dell,hp,ect adn its preloaded with all this BS and its all boggin it down.

LOL very true I asked him about it..like as in WTF you did'nt consult me before purchasing such a dog.. He says ..Came w/ a Gateway 20 or 21" LCD and 820D from costco for about $1200..and you told me LCD is $700 by it self...hard to beat bundles like that from dell/gateway etc.. Another thing which was very sad was intel's intergrated graphics.. Ever seen a blurry LCD before at native res? Well i saw one tonight. Anyway it was quite a change for me since i hav'nt used a prebuilt system in what seems like forever but I'm even more onviced than ever we are doing the right thing BYO.

 

[anandtechrocks]

It gets so old hearing all this "Intel is crap" nonsense. The PD 820 machine I built for my family is very fast, completely silent, and never throttles (even in S&M). It is also using the stock heatsink! (with AS5) This is comming from a long time AMD user, I don't think you guys are being fair here.

Zebo, blury graphics when no 3D apps are running is usually a result of lower monitor refresh rate. Raise it to 75Hz or there abouts.

 

[Zebo]

completely silent,

In space maybe.

 

[anandtechrocks]

Using a Vantec fan controller on a couple of 120 mm fans and the stock HS is usually running 1000-1400 RPM, so yes it is silent. Plus load temps never break 64C. Granted that is very hot since my 3700+ never breaks 47-48C, but the PD doesn't throttle so no harm done.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
It gets so old hearing all this "Intel is crap" nonsense. The PD 820 machine I built for my family is very fast, completely silent, and never throttles (even in S&M). It is also using the stock heatsink! (with AS5) This is comming from a long time AMD user, I don't think you guys are being fair here.

Zebo, blury graphics when no 3D apps are running is usually a result of lower monitor refresh rate. Raise it to 75Hz or there abouts.

Jeesh, I am so sick of hearing that 820D's are fine, don't overheat, etc... Have fun with your flamethrower. I bought mine just so I could comment truthfully. At 2.8 they are a pig. At max OC, the X2 3800 OC'ed blows it out of the water, and is way cooler to boot. Not to mention the power draw.

Why do you think they are so cheap on ebay ? nobody wants them !

Edit: It doesn;t throttle since its stock. But 64c ? Even you admit thats WAY too hot. Since you own an AMD, why did you build your family an 820D ? They need a space heater ? they don't care what their electric bill is ?

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Why do you think they are so cheap on ebay ? nobody wants them !

Obviously they are not the best air cooled overclocking chips, but in my and Zebo's case the computers are not being OCd. For the price I think they do just fine. My family appreciates the dual core abilities and never comment about your so called flamethrower belief.

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Edit: It doesn;t throttle since its stock. But 64c ? Even you admit thats WAY too hot. Since you own an AMD, why did you build your family an 820D ? They need a space heater ? they don't care what their electric bill is ?

They wanted to take advantage of dual core's abilities and the X2 3800+ was not released yet.

 

[Zebo]

Anandtechrocks- You could'nt tell instantly the snappyness was lost when you 820'd from a A64, any A64? I sure could. I started configuring FW for him and checking out system settings and stuff and everything was like an old athlon XP about 1800Mhz seemed like. I was going to buy a 820D run my own comparo like Mr. Mark but I'm glad I didnt.

 

[stevty2889]

My 830 was running at 47c water cooled, until it the water block sprung a leak, but air cooled it sounded like a freakin vacuum cleaner, and was running at 70c. Meanwhile my 2.4 pentium-m, my X2, and my single core P4@3.45ghz all beat it at non-SMP capable programs, and the X2 destroys it at SMP aware programs. I tried to OC the pentium-d, but it got nowhere, wouldn't even boot windows at 3.1ghz, granted the Mobo I have doesn't let me increase the voltage, but I've never had to for a 100mhz OC before.

 

[Markfw]

BTW, If I thought I could get out of my 820D what I paid, I would sell it today, and get another X2 or Opteron 1x5 series. I don't think anybody is stupid enough to pay be what I am into it(~$168 for the chip, then mobo, memory and HSF are new), so I guess I just suck it up. Maybe Intel will come up with a dual-core socket 775 chip worth buying, and then I will dunt the chip itself for what I can get out of it.

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Anandtechrocks- You could'nt tell instantly the snappyness was lost when you 820'd from a A64, any A64? I sure could. I started configuring FW for him and checking out system settings and stuff and everything was like an old athlon XP about 1800Mhz seemed like. I was going to buy a 820D run my own comparo like Mr. Mark but I'm glad I didnt.

Zebo, I don't own the PD 820 system I built, so my experiences are not too extensive, but for everyday tasks such as web-browsing, music ripping/ encoding, file compression, and DVD shrinking, I honestly did not observe any noticeable performance loss. Sure, the numbers may prove me wrong but 2.8 seconds instead of 2.4 seconds doesn?t bother me.

 

[Markfw]

My benchmarks for encoding were that is took 50% longer to encode. In my case 11 1/2 hours to over 17 ! I think thats noticable. and even if it was 30 minutes compared to 45 ? and thats OC'ed to 3.5 !!!!That sucker is at 2.8 !

Edit, Maybe I should try dvdshrink benchmark ! Never did that one.

 

[anandtechrocks]

Yes, I used DVD Shrink Mark. And I'm sure the PD 820 is slower than an X2, but when multasking it is much faster than my A64 San Diego.

 

[Markfw]

OK, DVDShrink 3.2 results...

System 1, Intel 820D@3.43 ghz, DVD reader NEC 3540a using Interal IDE connector, slave configured, system 1 gig ram DDR 667, video X2 Xmen united, time 41 minutes 31 seconds.

System 2, Althon64 3200+ socket 754 @ stock 2.2 ghz, ASUS A8V(I think thats it, can't see it on the mobo), DVD reader NEC 3540a using USB external connector, system 1 gig ram DDR 400 video X2 Xmen united, time 28 minutes, 48 seconds.

OK, so thats a socket 754 Athlon64 single-core stock beating a OC'ed Intel dual-core @ 50% more clock(and then some), using faster memory, and still beating it by by 44% using an external USB drive (In case that makes any difference). And it sucks way more power and creates way more heat...

How in the hell do you justify this ? Multitasking ? It seems like a pig compared to anything in my house, but they are all Athlon64 something.... Challange my benchmarks ? Come on over, prove me wrong....

You know, even if the software is not SMP aware, for a single channel cpu rated below the single-core speed of my OC'ed 820 dual-core for one core, its really pathetic to get beat by 44%, and in case IO rate has any influence, its using a slower interface (USB vs ultra dma)

 

[LTC8K6]

How does your 820D do at stock in the test, Mark?

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
How does your 820D do at stock in the test, Mark?

OMG, I have to go to bed now, but I will try that tomarrow. Can you say massacre ??

 

[Zebo]

lol

 

[anandtechrocks]

Interesting results Mark, thanks for posting. I'm not sure why your Pentium D did so bad here is Anand's test though:

DVD Shrink Encoding

You must be doing something different than him. His was in a multitasking environment, I'm not sure how that comes into play though.

Edit: Here's another:

DVD Shrink