17 yo criminal gets heart transplant, dies in carjack/high speed chase 2 years later

[CZroe]

Who gives a good God damn? Thug POS is dead. woot.


I am sorry for the pedestrian and their family.

...and the other person deprived of the donated heart. That's why we give a damn.

 

[Ichinisan]

Who gives a good God damn? Thug POS is dead. woot.


I am sorry for the pedestrian and their family.

...and the person who was bumped-off the recipient list and died.

[edit]
I see CZroe got to it first.

 

[highland145]

And you're both right.


Is that like minds...?

 

[Ichinisan]

And you're both right.


Is that like minds...?

Twin brothers, yes. CZroe is at work today.

 

[highland145]

Twin brothers, yes. CZroe is at work today.

Knew that. Just didn't know if you were identical or fraternal. But now I'm curious about nature vs nurture.

 

[Brian Stirling]

"Thinly veiled race bias?" It sound like everyone was as open about it as you were, even using the phrase "race card" exactly as you did. I suspect that you meant "thinly veiled racism." In that case: quote one. Let us see an example.

As is so often the case with issues like this there's a piling on that happens and from the same people. The format basic takes the form of -- well what do you expect from a black guy.

OTH, there is also a predictable group that comes to the defense of poor blacks that do bad things and they find a reason to defend the kid when there is no defense for what he did.

I mentioned a couple days ago about the black Washington DC politician that was video'd parking her car and published it on the internet (Roll Call). The video was pretty bad and suggested to me that the capital police should have ticketed her at the very least, but DC is a politicians town so nothing will come of it. The troubling thing in the video wasn't the video but the comments section where the video was posted -- the majority of the posters could have been speaking at a KKK rally it was so bad.

Again, I don't think either side covers the issue of race with honesty and instead push there own bias as fact.


Brian

 

[CZroe]

As is so often the case with issues like this there's a piling on that happens and from the same people. The format basic takes the form of -- well what do you expect from a black guy.

OTH, there is also a predictable group that comes to the defense of poor blacks that do bad things and they find a reason to defend the kid when there is no defense for what he did.

I mentioned a couple days ago about the black Washington DC politician that was video'd parking her car and published it on the internet (Roll Call). The video was pretty bad and suggested to me that the capital police should have ticketed her at the very least, but DC is a politicians town so nothing will come of it. The troubling thing in the video wasn't the video but the comments section where the video was posted -- the majority of the posters could have been speaking at a KKK rally it was so bad.

Again, I don't think either side covers the issue of race with honesty and instead push there own bias as fact.


Brian

Nope. Other than his mother playing the race card, which she undoubtedly did, every criticism I see of him in this thread stands regardless of his race. Let's not be afraid to call a spade a spade just because someone will call it racist bandwagoning just to assert their moral superiority.

Edit: and that is not supposed to be the racial interpretation of "spade" that I just learned about on Urban Dictionary after making this post and vaguely remembering that "spade" might also mean something racial:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_a_spade_a_spade

You see how hard you're making this?!

 

[werepossum]

Speaking of crazy, I get the impression some are purposefully doing their best not to consider the actual criticism for Cheney's transplant news when it came out. I recall hearing a whole hell of a lot about what a difference money makes in the selection process, even for an elderly man in poor health (who happens to be responsible for just a bit more harm to the world than say, some carjackings attempts). I recall some praise for people's jumping ability, as in their ability to jump to the front of a list populated by people with more merit to be there and who had been waiting for some time.

Conservatives, as if anyone agrees completely on what that group includes, being singled out en masse as unworthy of organ transplant? Is this one of those truthy, just gotta believe things, or are you quoting a particular sentiment here? If so, link?

Career criminal? Shooting at people? Which waste of an organ donation are you referring to?

Cheney being "responsible for just a bit more harm to the world than say, some carjackings attempts" is completely a matter of politics, dude. You are defining good and evil completely in light of your politics, to the point of excusing criminal behavior to make your political opposites seem worse.

 

[inachu]

Maybe that young kid got Dick Cheneys old heart?

 

[Ackmed]

They successfully pulled the race card to get the heart. Kudus!

Thats especially funny because the media always tried to use the picture of mike brown where he wore his graduation clothes, instead of the one where he had a gun, smoking weed, alcohol and a load of cash in front of him, all in the same picture. Which my guess was more of his natural element.

She was right to post the pics, especially since that is how he wanted people to see him... as it was his facebook profile picture.

Thug should have never gotten the heart. But if not, they would have been called racist. When they used race to get him the heart. Funny double standard.

 

[kage69]

Cheney being "responsible for just a bit more harm to the world than say, some carjackings attempts" is completely a matter of politics, dude.

It's nothing of the sort - the main architect of the 2003 invasion set the country's worst foreign policy disaster into motion, and the body count is still rising. You know damn well Iraq 2.0 wouldn't have happened were it not for Cheney doing everything within his power to get us in there, but just like with the actual criticism of him receiving a heart it's something you prefer not to think about.

You are defining good and evil completely in light of your politics, to the point of excusing criminal behavior to make your political opposites seem worse.

Wrong, wrong, wrong again possum. Oy vey. If you care to read my post more closely, you should notice not only did I leave good and evil out of it I offered no excuses or defenses of anyone related to the story. In fact, I refereed to both "men" as wastes of organ donations. I'm not sure how you've managed to rationalize that into some kind of defense of the failed carjacker, but sure, go ahead and grab onto that and avoid addressing what you were specifically asked to substantiate.

Pretty funny to hear one of our resident Cheney fanboys accuse someone else of excusing criminal behavior in lieu of politics! Wow. It's not often irony of that magnitude shows up on a Monday. I suppose its that 'personally defined light' of mine regarding Cheney that made him shoot a guy in the face with a shotgun, or is why the man won't venture beyond our borders now?

In your world, people only hate Dick because he's a conservative. His record has nothing to do it, right? :hmm:

 

[CZroe]

It's nothing of the sort - the main architect of the 2003 invasion set the country's worst foreign policy disaster into motion, and the body count is still rising. You know damn well Iraq 2.0 wouldn't have happened were it not for Cheney doing everything within his power to get us in there, but just like with the actual criticism of him receiving a heart it's something you prefer not to think about.




Wrong, wrong, wrong again possum. Oy vey. If you care to read my post more closely, you should notice not only did I leave good and evil out of it I offered no excuses or defenses of anyone related to the story. In fact, I refereed to both "men" as wastes of organ donations. I'm not sure how you've managed to rationalize that into some kind of defense of the failed carjacker, but sure, go ahead and grab onto that and avoid addressing what you were specifically asked to substantiate.

Pretty funny to hear one of our resident Cheney fanboys accuse someone else of excusing criminal behavior in lieu of politics! Wow. It's not often irony of that magnitude shows up on a Monday. I suppose its that 'personally defined light' of mine regarding Cheney that made him shoot a guy in the face with a shotgun, or is why the man won't venture beyond our borders now?

In your world, people only hate Dick because he's a conservative. His record has nothing to do it, right? :hmm:

You act like Dick Cheney's hunting incident could not have been an accident just because he's a conservative, yet you expect us to think that it isn't politics? Did you forget that others supported the war and that your view on that too is politics? Blind.

 

[inachu]

Come on now. That one guy didn't even have a suggestion for how it might work. It has all the hallmarks of sensationalist bullshit.

We all have an obligation to be skeptical. With no explanation offered by this professor, you should be as skeptical as I am.

Here is what I get when I google it I found the first link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ient-gets-craving-food-eaten-organ-donor.html


Another URL for the same topic with bit of real life news and fictional movies on the subject:

http://skepdic.com/cellular.html

 

[Jaskalas]

As is so often the case with issues like this there's a piling on that happens and from the same people. The format basic takes the form of -- well what do you expect from a black guy.

There are plenty of black men deserving of a heart transplant. It's a shame this heart was given to a violence / crime ridden teen who likely ended up that way by growing up in the hood.

It is this teen's actions that should lead us to condemning him.

It is where he comes from that should teach us about the crisis young Americans face growing up in certain places, where the only life is a life of crime. As a product of his environment we should be asking ourselves how to change that and improve their situation, and in turn ours.

 

[Nograts]

Can they cut the heart back out? Is it possible to now get all legal organs? That should be a thing. Leasing organs.

 

[CZroe]

Can they cut the heart back out? Is it possible to now get all legal organs? That should be a thing. Leasing organs.

Not sure if they let people under 18 donate organs because no contract is legally binding for a teen and they may not understand the ramifications

 

[kage69]

You act like Dick Cheney's hunting incident could not have been an accident just because he's a conservative, yet you expect us to think that it isn't politics? Did you forget that others supported the war and that your view on that too is politics? Blind.

What is wrong with you?

If you want to respond to my posts, fine, but you need to understand that 1.) you don't know what I think, and 2.) you don't get to speak for me. If that's a problem then just let me know, I'm happy to add you to the pile of igbts, mike1980s and boomerangs I already have going. We'd both save time in the long run and you won't be making yourself look stupid by making posts like that (at least with me).

So, assuming you are actually trying to form a genuine reply, instead of wasting time playing with all that straw, I'll try to break it down for you a tad more.

I have offered no theory regarding the causes of Dick shooting a lawyer in the face, certainly not one along the generic faction lines you already heard me disparage. I have addressed possum's truthy sense of history, perhaps his own wishful thinking, and inquired as to if he had anything to back that up since it runs so contrary to what I and others recall of the time. Now might be a good time to note that was I not defending the thug in the OP, nor was I promoting a political party or agenda.

That's as far as I'm going to indulge your reading difficulties. I hope it was good for you too. If you want to trail off on who in Congress voted for what, whatever, but you might want to pull your head out of your ass before critiquing others on what they can see.

 

[norseamd]

Knew that. Just didn't know if you were identical or fraternal. But now I'm curious about nature vs nurture.

Wondering their opinion.

 

[CZroe]

What is wrong with you?

If you want to respond to my posts, fine, but you need to understand that 1.) you don't know what I think, and 2.) you don't get to speak for me. If that's a problem then just let me know, I'm happy to add you to the pile of igbts, mike1980s and boomerangs I already have going. We'd both save time in the long run and you won't be making yourself look stupid by making posts like that (at least with me).

So, assuming you are actually trying to form a genuine reply, instead of wasting time playing with all that straw, I'll try to break it down for you a tad more.

I have offered no theory regarding the causes of Dick shooting a lawyer in the face, certainly not one along the generic faction lines you already heard me disparage. I have addressed possum's truthy sense of history, perhaps his own wishful thinking, and inquired as to if he had anything to back that up since it runs so contrary to what I and others recall of the time. Now might be a good time to note that was I not defending the thug in the OP, nor was I promoting a political party or agenda.

That's as far as I'm going to indulge your reading difficulties. I hope it was good for you too. If you want to trail off on who in Congress voted for what, whatever, but you might want to pull your head out of your ass before critiquing others on what they can see.

Don't play word games. "Made him" = forced him = not an accident. Sure, you were facetiously implying that he dodged responsibility by using the word "made," but the implication was still either that it wasn't an accident or that he wanted to. See? I can read between the lines. No "difficulties" here.

You're painting the picture that Dick is evil because you don't agree with him about the Iraq war. In other words, it's exactly what we said: judging his moral character based on your personal politics. You had the nerve to do it again in your response claiming not to do that, except this time you extended your canvas to shamelessly include an accident from his personal life. You detest him as a result of his politics.

Add me to the list. I'd love to continue responding to you without your retort.

 

[CZroe]

Wondering their opinion.

We don't even know if we are identical or fraternal. We have very different levels of metabolism.

 

[norseamd]

We don't even know if we are identical or fraternal. We have very different levels of metabolism.

Actually I was referring to the nature vs nurture.

 

[norseamd]

Not sure if they let people under 18 donate organs because no contract is legally binding for a teen and they may not understand the ramifications

Well in Minnesota I have been a donor since I got my permit when I was 15.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Thats especially funny because the media always tried to use the picture of mike brown where he wore his graduation clothes, instead of the one where he had a gun, smoking weed, alcohol and a load of cash in front of him, all in the same picture. Which my guess was more of his natural element.

She was right to post the pics, especially since that is how he wanted people to see him... as it was his facebook profile picture.

Thug should have never gotten the heart. But if not, they would have been called racist. When they used race to get him the heart. Funny double standard.

You mean the picture of Joda Cain that people were falsely claiming was a picture of Mike Brown?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/realmikebrown.asp

That picture? And you claim not to know that it's a lie?

 

[kage69]

Don't play word games.*remaining blather snipped*

Don't put words in my mouth you sanctimonious twit. You can share possum's selective view of history if you want, but proclaiming others to be focusing on politics when they're repeatedly citing actions just makes you look like another apologist.

You didn't answer, let alone refute, anything I posted, so I'm afraid the jury is still out on your comprehension. You even sound like you think I was the one who brought him up in this thread, odd. I even made unequivocal clarifications regarding where I stand with both people, but for some reason it's made you regurgitate more of your 'I know what you are thinking" bullshit, instead of making you ponder the possibly uncomfortable parts that qualify Cheney for the same group of sleaze this dumb ass kid belongs to.

Would have been nice for someone to show me where anyone acted in accordance to how they were portrayed by possum wrt to Cheney, but all the straw counts for an answer too I suppose.

Yeah, I think we're done here. Clearly my desire to speak on actions doesn't mix well with your need to view and dismiss based along party lines. Not sure what I was thinking of asking someone to actually support their position - must be all that nerve I have.

 

[Tweak155]

I found this back and forth interesting because sometimes I get into similar arguments. So I took the time to read back a few replies and see if I could pinpoint the root of the argument.

I think where you failed Kage is here (introduce politics):

...(who happens to be responsible for just a bit more harm to the world than say, some carjackings attempts)....

This is clearly viewed as a statement of opinion. It now gives the appearance that all your statements revolve around a biased point of view. True, CZroe cannot know what you're thinking, but he is simply reacting based on what you post (what else is he supposed to do??). Which you then followed up with (after being called out, bolded points are of interest, more politics & opinion as called by some):

It's nothing of the sort - the main architect of the 2003 invasion set the country's worst foreign policy disaster into motion, and the body count is still rising. You know damn well Iraq 2.0 wouldn't have happened were it not for Cheney doing everything within his power to get us in there

If you don't want people "assuming" what you think, then quit posting things that make them come to that "assumption". By the way, I have no opinion one way or the other, just trying to show a different point of view .