17 yo criminal gets heart transplant, dies in carjack/high speed chase 2 years later

[SheHateMe]

Well,shit.

 

[norseamd]

Sounds like bullshit or just random, unrelated coincidence. I believe your physiology would go through a lot of changes with all the ant-rejection drugs and other drugs, other necessary diet changes, etc. There's a high likelihood of developing different cravings like a chocolate craving -- even if the donor heart was another chocolate hater.

Actually he is not just sprouting off some bullshit. If you read the link I put up earlier you will find that some doctors believe there might be cell memories or some other type of crazy shit.

 

[Ichinisan]

Actually he is not just sprouting off some bullshit. If you read the link I put up earlier you will find that some doctors believe there might be cell memories or some other type of crazy shit.

Crazy shit.

You said it.

"Crazy."

Not sane.

 

[rudeguy]

Crazy shit.

You said it.

"Crazy."

Not sane.

Norse lacks a brain. He's only capable of posting links and copying text.

 

[norseamd]

Crazy shit.

You said it.

"Crazy."

Not sane.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[norseamd]

Norse lacks a brain. He's only capable of posting links and copying text.

Compared to your ignorant and neglectful ass?

 

[Ichinisan]

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Come on now. That one guy didn't even have a suggestion for how it might work. It has all the hallmarks of sensationalist bullshit.

We all have an obligation to be skeptical. With no explanation offered by this professor, you should be as skeptical as I am.

 

[norseamd]

Come on now. That one guy didn't even have a suggestion for how it might work. It has all the hallmarks of sensationalist bullshit.

We all have an obligation to be skeptical. With no explanation offered by this professor, you should be as skeptical as I am.

Well when I was looking earlier I could not find anything but apparently Dick Cheney has started picking up some of the old habit and personality of his donor when he or she was still around. Not so much as to override most of his old personality but still sufficient to be noticed by those around him in his day to day life.

 

[norseamd]

Come on now. That one guy didn't even have a suggestion for how it might work. It has all the hallmarks of sensationalist bullshit.

We all have an obligation to be skeptical. With no explanation offered by this professor, you should be as skeptical as I am.

Also the problem here is not the specific scientific theories but skepticism. When you do not know something you do not know something. You do not know something is wrong you just plain do not know anything.

 

[Ichinisan]

Well when I was looking earlier I could not find anything but apparently Dick Cheney has started picking up some of the old habit and personality of his donor when he or she was still around. Not so much as to override most of his old personality but still sufficient to be noticed by those around him in his day to day life.

Also the problem here is not the specific scientific theories but skepticism. When you do not know something you do not know something. You do not know something is wrong you just plain do not know anything.

Please familiarize yourself with the concept of confirmation bias. Apply this knowledge to everything you read / watch.

 

[norseamd]

Also key point to tie into all this shit.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ution-may-redeem-one-of-darwins-oldest-rivals

 

[norseamd]

Please familiarize yourself with the concept of confirmation bias.

See above then. How often is anything that is not rigidly adhering to the mainstream sociological support for Einsteinism and Darwinism instantly declared wrong even if it does not actually disprove those theories? Those men themselves might disapprove of scientists today putting them and their work on the pedestals. Like me Einstein even hated the idea of spooky action at a distance. The key fact is that quantum mechanics does exist so everything that Einstein wrote is not instantly true. And Hawking has also had some of his scientific work bent if not broke by current scientific data. The fact is humanity often bandwagons and discriminates and denigrates those who are not following the mainstream sociological constructs.

 

[werepossum]

Hahaha, perfect. If Dick Cheney can get a heart transplant it seems basically impossible to deny it to anyone else due to a perceived lack of morals.

This is a tough situation. Allowing someone to die because they were shitty as a teenager seems like a really harsh thing to do, but then when the hospital shows mercy things like this can happen. It seems like this was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Wow, something else that, um, doesn't sound completely batshit crazy at all. I mean, sure, this kid was a career criminal carrying stolen guns and shooting at people, but hey, Cheney is a conservative.

How long before the Doctors who gave him a heart transplant are sued? They were clearly negligent. Clearly he needed a brain transplant before the heart transplant

lol +1

Hope the poor pedestrian is okay.

 

[positivedoppler]

Sounds like bullshit or just random, unrelated coincidence. I believe your physiology would go through a lot of changes with all the anti-rejection drugs and other drugs, other necessary diet changes, etc. There's a high likelihood of developing different cravings like a chocolate craving -- even if the donor heart was another chocolate hater.

Google it, there's not a whole lot of studied done but people have reported habits after organ transplants similar to the original owner.

 

[Ichinisan]

Google it, there's not a whole lot of studied done but people have reported habits after organ transplants similar to the original owner.

Almost sure to be confirmation bias. With just the mere suggestion that it might happen, people will ignore things that contradict while pointing-out things that "confirm" the suggestion.

Finding "examples" is absolutely worthless.

 

[norseamd]

Wow, something else that, um, doesn't sound completely batshit crazy at all. I mean, sure, this kid was a career criminal carrying stolen guns and shooting at people, but hey, Cheney is a conservative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaxShzl1aTQ

 

[norseamd]

Almost sure to be confirmation bias. With just the mere suggestion that it might happen, people will ignore things that contradict while pointing-out things that "confirm" the suggestion.

So you were actually referring to confirmation bias in relation to the reported adoption of behaviors of the previous owner of any transplants. Alright understand that. Thought you were suggesting that my consideration that this is possible instead of outright true or false was confirmation bias.

 

[norseamd]

Please familiarize yourself with the concept of confirmation bias. Apply this knowledge to everything you read / watch.

Fact is that even conducting studies looking for possible ideas can cause subconscious or unconscious bias which can cause various shit like butterfly effects so you have to be very careful and run safeguards for experiments that give the experiments some type of independence from any subjugation to preferred human emotions or thought that might taint the validity of any experiments or other types of scientific operations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n984nd55BqQ

 

[kage69]

Wow, something else that, um, doesn't sound completely batshit crazy at all. I mean, sure, this kid was a career criminal carrying stolen guns and shooting at people, but hey, Cheney is a conservative.

Speaking of crazy, I get the impression some are purposefully doing their best not to consider the actual criticism for Cheney's transplant news when it came out. I recall hearing a whole hell of a lot about what a difference money makes in the selection process, even for an elderly man in poor health (who happens to be responsible for just a bit more harm to the world than say, some carjackings attempts). I recall some praise for people's jumping ability, as in their ability to jump to the front of a list populated by people with more merit to be there and who had been waiting for some time.

Conservatives, as if anyone agrees completely on what that group includes, being singled out en masse as unworthy of organ transplant? Is this one of those truthy, just gotta believe things, or are you quoting a particular sentiment here? If so, link?

Career criminal? Shooting at people? Which waste of an organ donation are you referring to?

 

[Brian Stirling]

Well, as expected, there's thinly veiled comments suggesting a race bias AND thinly veiled comments that appear to be apologizing for this kid actions.

It does look to me that the race card was used to get the transplant and now that his life is over and the details of how he lived that life are coming out the folks that used the race card will ultimately have harmed the cause, The next time a poor black kid with a troubled past needs a transplant he will have less chance of getting it because of this schmuck.

There are parallels with the Michael Brown case in that the race card was used to attack the cop for killing an innocent black kid, but when the evidence revealed the statements made by his supporters were pretty much lies the end result is that the public will be less likely to believe the statements made for the next black kid killed by a cop.

Neither side of the race card is dealing with these issues very well...


Brian

 

[gdansk]

Well, shit. I'd have called him a worthless piece of shit but I suppose it's the heart that is at fault.

 

[CZroe]

Well when I was looking earlier I could not find anything but apparently Dick Cheney has started picking up some of the old habit and personality of his donor when he or she was still around. Not so much as to override most of his old personality but still sufficient to be noticed by those around him in his day to day life.

You're not even remotely ashamed to repeat such unsubstantiated bullsh*t?! Wow.

 

[CZroe]

Well, as expected, there's thinly veiled comments suggesting a race bias AND thinly veiled comments that appear to be apologizing for this kid actions.

It does look to me that the race card was used...

"Thinly veiled race bias?" It sound like everyone was as open about it as you were, even using the phrase "race card" exactly as you did. I suspect that you meant "thinly veiled racism." In that case: quote one. Let us see an example.

 

[CZroe]

You mean 3rd fircken chance! Not only was his prior criminal record already a reason why he shouldn't have gotten a 2nd heart, but damn fool and his stupid ass mother is why the first transplant failed as they didn't have him take the FREE transplant anti rejection drugs.

Given how rare donor hearts are, most likely someone else died over a lack of an available heart.

I'm pretty sure this was his first [donated] heart. The drugs he wasn't taking were drugs for his enlarged heart condition, not anti-rejection drugs.

 

[highland145]

Who gives a good God damn? Thug POS is dead. woot.


I am sorry for the pedestrian and their family.