17" LCD Discussion

[Landon]

I have been reading LCD review after review. It seems the only way to buy an LCD is to try it out first. I have had my eye on the Samsung 173T becuase of its high contrast ratio and dual input ability. Then the Benq FP791 appears with a high contrast ratio, extremely bright screen and no hint of ghosting or trailing in fast motion games/video. The new Samsung 172X is supposed to be the fastest (12ms) and best LCD coming out, but it got a terrible review. Infact I think Toms Hardware gave it a 1 out of 5 on ghosting, while the 25ms Samsung does alright. I'm hoping osmone on this forum can help me decide on a display for myself. I'm a casual gamer who spends a lot of time reading text and surfing the web. (I have tried a 173T in both gaming and reading, it's great, but is there better? cheaper?)

Thanks

-Please no comments about how CRTs are better and LCDs. I couldn't care less about your CRT advice.

 

[jdogg707]

I would grab the 172x, seems to be the best 17" LCD period.

 

[Landon]

Not according to Tom. Like I pointed out above, the 172X gets 1 out of 5 stars on the Unreal test and is quoted "Simply Unplayable!". Have you had any experience with this display yourself?

http://www4.tomshardware.com/display/20031105/lcd-17.html]TomsHardware.com

 

[jdogg707]

Tom is most of the time and idiot, and generally wrong. My friend who works as a Samsung rep brought one to work (Circuit City) and hooked it up....the thing is simply amazing. The comp we hooked it up too was the HP Media Center PC, hooked it up via DVI, put Unreal 2K3, Halo, and Madden 2004 on it and played it....no lag, no ghosting, excellent color, very bright, great color representation....like I said, it's the best 17" LCD monitor you can buy!

 

[Landon]

Well if you've used it and say there isn't any ghosting, I believe ya. Thanks for the input. Now only if they woudl make their way up to Canada.

Any other models you guys can suggest? I think it's going to be a challeneg to get the 172X at a resonable price in Canada for a while.

 

[destaccado]

There's actually 2 versions of the 172x.......right now I'd have to agree with toms review.....I own the hercules 920 pro dvi and it is an awesome piece of hardware....before that I had the princeton sl70 which wasn't terrible, but the 920 pro is the nicest lcd I've ever seen/used.....

 

[Landon]

Destaccado, I read the 920 Pro review, but couldn't find any in Canada. Any pointers or well know online stores you know of that also deal in Canada? Sans Duty.

 

[BBC454]

From what I have read, the 172X is suppose to be one of, if not the, best 17" lcd. The trouble is the cheapest I can find it is about $590, and not many places have it. Of course the Hercules 17" is also about $550. If you are willing to spend this much the Samsung seems to be an excellent LCD (I may buy one in a couple of months).

I have read the 173 ghosts on a lot of FPS.

 

[SuPrEIVIE]

you better buy a lcd monitor fast they seem to go up in price not lower...so i bought my vp171b now...after i bought it it went up ~30$! that was close!

 

[InlineFive]

How does the 172x compare to the VP171b?

 

[SuPrEIVIE]

i have not gotten mine from dell yet but its a good 16ms monitor one of or maybe the best 17"monitor i think it will stack up well with the 172x,but likely the 172x will be better in most areas

 

[Kingofcomputer]

If you want the best, get Eizo L567.

 

[Landon]

So... Instead of posting monitors you have, why not post what model, how much you paid and how good the contrast, brightness, color and responce time it. Saying that you have a 16ms or 20ms display is pointless. There are many 25ms displays that are better than some 16ms displays...

Has anyone tried the Sony SDM-HS73? I noticed staples.ca has it listed at $447 can... It's probably a misprint, but I inquired. I'll let you guys know if it's a typo, after they reply.

What is an Eizo L567 and why is it the best?

 

[wholo5]

I just bought a Sony SDMX53 from New Egg. It is a 15". I have been very pleased with it. You might want to take a look at them.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: wholo5

nice post, covers all aspects of the topic :beer:

Welcome to AT!

 

[wholo5]

oops, sorry.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

see here
http://www.eizo.co.jp/welcome/products/lcd/l567/contents.html

 

[Landon]

Oooo, their website! Sounds like a piece of crap even with the consumer hype. 35ms latency? The slowest I have ever seen is a 25ms. A brightness of 230 cd/m2 and Contrast Ratio of 400:1 isn't anything special. Whoop-dee-doo, an overpriced display for AutoCAD and MS Word.

 

[Landon]

Back to the mid-range easy to find, cheap Samsung, LG, Hitatchi, NEC Sony, etc etc displays. I want to hear about products you personally own, or sell. What you think might be good is pretty lame.

 

[MangoTBG]

NEC 17" v1760 is the only way to go. 16ms -- no noticable ghosting after the first use.

 

[RussianSensation]

I am in the same position as you Landon but I can purchase from the States or Canada it doesnt matter to me, but I am looking for a 17inch monitor.

I have gone to Future Shop and checked out their Samsung 172T, 173 and they are alright but the colour isnt as bright as I would like and well as I dont think the price justifies them (they have some ghosting)

Then i moved and checked out NEC 1760V-BK and since futureshop connects all their monitors in some weird way some of the picture quality is degraded (at least thats what they told me) but even then the NEC was the ugliest looking LCD i've ever seen and seemed very cheap the colours were bland and yes it might have 16ms response time but the picture quality was not up to standard in my opinion. Since Hitachi CML174SXW shares the exact same panel as the NEC 1760 in my opinion i would not buy those monitors

Then i saw Sony SDM-HS73-H it was beautiful, no ghosting that I have noticed, perfect blend of colour, amazing design easy to swivel and adjust. This beat all samsungs, and almost all NECs.

Why almost all NECs? Because I stumbled upon Multisync 1765 Series specs say it has 225cd/m2 and 400:1 contrast ratio. These figures are not anything to brag about; in fact have been surpassed by many monitors. I just couldnt figure it out. This monitor had the brightest colour, 0 ghosting, and put 1760 to shame in contruction. The problem it has an antiglare glass surface so it's like the LCD panel is "inside" the monitor. Some people do not like that. Also that particular model was hard to adjust in height (maybe because so many ppl have worn the model out by messing with it)

It seems strange that I found the 1765 to be 100x better than 1760 when basically its almost identical panel and 1760 has better specifications. Which leads me to believe:

1) specifications only tell half the story if not less
2) the monitors werent' configured properly (many cables to 1 connector box) and then from this box to 1 computer so they all have the same image. This can eliminate fair comparison through degradation of some of their signals (signal loss).

Other than that i haven't really seen a monitor that impresses me

So from my view the Sony was the most well-rounded and the nec 1765 is very hard to find so thats another downfall for it.

here is a link where u can click Multisync 1765 series to check out what the NEC looks liek so many next time you notice it, you take a look at it:

Click on 1765 Series -- most right column

 

[Landon]

Thanks man. Finally some meaningfull input

I also like the look of the 1765 and HS73 series displays. They're so much more expensive though. It looks people are paying a premium for a fancy bezel/design...

Maybe check out staples.ca for that Sony if you like it. They wrote me back with a pretty bland responce that hasn't clarified anything.

Oh and I agree that the NEC 1760V is ugly and it has only analog in.

 

[JoPalm]

The 1765V is also only analog in. But I do agree it is a nice display as I've looked at it at futureshop also. It's the layer on top that makes it look that much better imo. I wonder how easy it is to scratch though? I'd go for one of those or a Samsung 17'. The sony is way to expensive imho.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

Eizo's spec on paper looks normal, but the real thing, especially the color, is better than Samsung, NEC, Sony, Philips, etc.

 

[RussianSensation]

I believe they had the NEC 1765 for 680 at futureshop and Sony was was 699 or something

but my friend works at futureshop so its known that Sony gives a small discount on their products like PS2 or often no discount at all. So I would get an extra 100 off the NEC and 0 off sony making sony more expensive. But for any other consumer I think they cost about the same.

What prices did you guys see them with?