17 APCs full of jack booted federal goons to arrest someone for putting up a poster.

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Brovane

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To get a criminal search warrant requires probable cause, and they have to show the judge that a crime was committed. How can they show the judge a crime was committed under this statute without having evidence of intent, as the specific intent is what makes it a crime? Without the specific intent, there is no crime to show the judge because the act of putting up flyers with their addresses on it, is not a crime in itself. Do you see the problem with this yet?

I am not a judge or a lawyer but they got a warrant.
 

NWRMidnight

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I am not a judge or a lawyer but they got a warrant.
based on what crime? Violation of the statute you listed? You keep arguing in a circle, not realizing that there is no way they can prove intent, which is what determines if putting up those flyers is a crime per the statute you lsited. Do you not see the issue with a search warrant being granted so they can come into this person's parents home, LOOKING for a crime. That's what they are doing, and that is what it seems you are trying to argue is approriate, and this type of response from law enforcement was appropriate all based on a statute that requires a specific intent.
 
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Brovane

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based on what crime? Violation of the statute you listed? You keep arguing in a circle, not realizing that there is no way they can prove intent, which is what determines if putting up those flyers is a crime per the statute you lsited. Do you not see the issue with a search warrant being granted so they can come into this person's parents home, LOOKING for a crime. That's what they are doing, and that is what it seems you are trying to argue is approriate, and this type of response from law enforcement was appropriate.

I am not saying it was appropriate and I am no legal expert. The government convinced a judge to get them a warrant.
 

NWRMidnight

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I am not saying it was appropriate and I am no legal expert. The government convinced a judge to get them a warrant.
A warrant in which you are argueing is for them to get the evidence to show intent, which is what is required to make it a crime.. Do you not see the problem with your circular answer(s)? You are the one who put up the statute, implying that it's what makes it illegal to put flyers up with their addresses on it, which it doesn't, unless there is intent. Yet, rather than addressing some of the points and questions I have put forth, you have avoided them by claiming "I am not a lawyer", but they got a warrant, which is nothing more than a cop out. It's okay if you don't know the answer, but man up and admit it.
 
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eelw

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ICE is probably getting tons of applications from they most depraved types of people that want to get in on brutalizing other people.
Yup these immigration police and border officials are on a power trip. The cleanup will take a long time to purge these proud to be fascists in a Dem administration
 
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eelw

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I am not saying it was appropriate and I am no legal expert. The government convinced a judge to get them a warrant.
In this case sure. But apparently the orange monkey has given orders as long suspected illegal immigrant are there, they’re allowed to enter without warrants.
 

Brovane

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A warrant in which you are argueing is for them to get the evidence to show intent, which is what is required to make it a crime.. Do you not see the problem with your circular answer(s)? You are the one who put up the statute, implying that it's what makes it illegal to put flyers up with their addresses on it, which it doesn't, unless there is intent. Yet, rather than addressing some of the points and questions I have put forth, you have avoided them by claiming "I am not a lawyer", but they got a warrant, which is nothing more than a cop out. It's okay if you don't know the answer, but man up and admit it.

I put up as a FYI as to what statue they are probably using for this witch hunt, nothing more. My apologizes if you mis-understood.
 

pmv

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#1- If the information is publicly available how is this illegal?

#2- Are these departments that over staffed that they have available over a dozen MRAP's to serve what is basically a search warrant? Sounds like DOGE should be looking into these departments for either staffing cuts or re-assignment of resources.


Yeah, I have no idea about the precise legal status of those posters - US law is presumably very different to UK (and I would guess differs in the direction of 'free speech').

But even if there was an argument to claim those posters were intended as some sort of 'threat', the rational response would be a cop going and asking some questions, not a convoy that seems to have lost its way en route to downtown Baghdad.

Also it reminded me of this incident - which also made me think the police force concerned is clearly hugely overstaffed and needs to have it's budget cut by a factor of about six.

 

MtnMan

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ICE is probably getting tons of applications from they most depraved types of people that want to get in on brutalizing other people.
When the TSA was formed, they were getting the rejects and drop-outs from actual law enforcement agencies. Now there is a place for the rejects and dropouts of the TSA to get a job.

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oh fuck
or convicted J6 felons...

What next, work release from a Federal Supermax Prison...
 
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Jaskalas

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House Republicans just voted to let January 6th insurrectionists work at the Department of Homeland Security.
How much you want to bet the brown shirts are going to be supervising the next "election"?
The people in occupied Ukraine got to vote at the point of a gun.
And no one has bothered to lift a finger to go save them.

We are next.
 

APU_Fusion

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Greenman is an ignorant traitor to America. He will justify mass genocide and concentration camps. Hope his karma is brutal.
 
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nakedfrog

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So to be clear you believe it is a crime for citizens to publish the addresses of public officials? Sure is funny how all those conservative free speech warriors who thought it was somehow illegal for Facebook to delete their posts have no problem with the government raiding a house for speaking in ways they don’t like.

Meanwhile I haven’t seen any calls for you to have DOJ officials raided for publishing Garcia’s wife’s address. Any reason?

Regardless, I suspect even you by this point have realized you made a mistake in supporting Trump. I hope it’s not too late for us all but it’s definitely not too late for you to switch sides.
I don't think admitting mistakes is something he does much of.