Question 1660 Ti details

[jpiniero]

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1536 cores, 96 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 192 Tensor cores
This model specifically has a boost of 1770 Mhz
6 GB GDDR6

 

[happy medium]

At 230 and 280 USD, Turing GTX has the same cores-price ratio as the RTX 2060 does. For example, for 1.25x price, one can get 1.25x performance, plus hardware ray tracing. RT is a 'free' value-added feature.

I suppose Turing GTX would have to settle below MSRP like Radeon RX 590.

???ok
here is the bottom line about price performance and where the 1660ti will be.
insert the 1660ti at 168% on this price performance chart, that's where it will be with gtx 1070 performance at $279.

 

[linkgoron]

A GTX 1070 for $280 three years later (with less memory). I don't get the excitement. Especially when you can already get a 1070 for $300, and could get a 1070 for ~$320 since January. However, this is expected given the whole Turing pricing.

Since Maxwell the price/performance advancement (for >980 level performance), and especially since Pascal has been really disappointing.

 

[LTC8K6]

A GTX 1070 for $280 three years later (with less memory). I don't get the excitement. Especially when you can already get a 1070 for $300, and could get a 1070 for ~$320 since January. However, this is expected given the whole Turing pricing.

Since Maxwell the price/performance advancement (for >980 level performance), and especially since Pascal has been really disappointing.

This argument depends on whether or not you think Tensor cores and DLSS are worth anything.

 

[happy medium]

junk blower type 1070;s for 300.

the best deal on a half decent 1070 on newegg is 330$

Does anyone remember when folks
came on here and asked whether to get a $360 gtx980ti or 1070 for $380 ?
Most smart people said "go with the newer tech."

So today we have the $279 1660ti = to a heavily discounted $320 gtx1070 with a lets get em out of here sale..
$40 cheaper with = performance,
in 3 years I bet the 1660ti is more than 12% faster plus costs you $40 less
And you might even get a less blurry DLSS? giving you 20% more performance.

980ti vs 1070 and they use some older games ,that helps the 980ti.
And they were within 1% 3 years ago. and very close both overclocked.
the 1070 beats the 980ti easily today ,see below.

 

[Bouowmx]

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I agree GeForce GTX 1660 Ti == 1070.
Using your methodology for a more interesting comparison, I get that GTX 1660 Ti has 109% performance-dollar relative to RTX 2060.

Spoiler

It's higher, but I still think GTX 1660 Ti is priced too close to RTX 2060.

 

[happy medium]

I agree GeForce GTX 1660 Ti == 1070.
Using your methodology for a more interesting comparison, I get that GTX 1660 Ti has 109% performance-dollar relative to RTX 2060.

Spoiler

It's higher, but I still think GTX 1660 Ti is priced too close to RTX 2060.

109% !
nice math skills.

I think Nvidia is bunching their gpu's closer together this round due to Navi mid range coming in about 6 months.
its basically about a 20% performance gap between the 1660ti, 2060, 2070 and 2080, give or take. AMD will stick gpu's in between each of Nvidia's cards for lower prices at about the same performance. Nvidia will adjust their prices a bit and we will have 12 cards to choose from by this time next year and probably 20% cheaper.
We have seen this a dozen times over the past 20 years..

 

[Roger Wilco]

Will this card ever need more than 6 GB of VRAM? Even if running 1440p?

When Navi arrives, I have no doubt the top cards will be paired with 8 GB of VRAM, but isn't AMD's VRAM usage less efficient than NVIDIA's?

 

[happy medium]

Will this card ever need more than 6 GB of VRAM? Even if running 1440p?

The card will run out of frames per second before you run out of vram.
Short answer NO, it will not NEED more vram.

 

[nurturedhate]

Paid $350 in late summer 2016 for a 1070. 2.5 years later I can buy a card that's about the same speed w/ less vram for $280-300. People in this thread are happy about this. You'd have to pay me to feign happiness about this.

 

[happy medium]

Paid $350 in late summer 2016 for a 1070. 2.5 years later I can buy a card that's about the same speed w/ less vram for $280-300. People in this thread are happy about this. You'd have to pay me to feign happiness about this.

wow you were lucky The gtx1070 released in June 2016 for $380 MSRP, was priced gouged for 3 months for $429+ dollars. but somehow you got one for $350.

Quote from the AnandTech gtx 1070 review on the 20th of JULY!

"But the real problem with this shortage is that it has removed any incentive to keep prices close to NVIDIA’s MSRP. GTX 1070 prices start at $429 instead of $379, while GTX 1080 prices start at $649 (and if you actually want a card in stock, that’ll be $699).

And you snagged one $80 cheaper, wow.

The proper upgrade for a $400 gtx 1070 is a $500 RTX2070 2.5 years later. 32% faster for 20% more money.
or mabe those used $380 gtx1080ti's everyone compares to the rtx2080.
I have yet to find one.

 

[LTC8K6]

Paid $350 in late summer 2016 for a 1070. 2.5 years later I can buy a card that's about the same speed w/ less vram for $280-300. People in this thread are happy about this. You'd have to pay me to feign happiness about this.

Well, you don't have to buy anything.
If you don't want DLSS and Tensor cores, then your 1070 is still fine.

 

[nurturedhate]

Looks like I somehow irritated two people who then had to tow the line. Different day, different thread, same posts, same posters. Why are you worked up enough to tell me how to spend my money? Why are you spending so much energy defending some random company? Historically, from one gen to the next, these are poorly performing, poorly priced, and seem to be dying. And yet here we are post after post that may as well be an ad to buy Nvidia. Yes, a $350 1070 was easy to get in Aug-Sept 2016 for anyone. Abundant and cheap windforce oc's on Jet.com + the first time buyer 15% off + the discount to not return through the seller. Actually put it under $350. But that was almost 3 years ago.

wow you were lucky The gtx1070 released in June 2016 for $380 MSRP, was priced gouged for 3 months for $429+ dollars. but somehow you got one for $350.

Quote from the AnandTech gtx 1070 review on the 20th of JULY!

"But the real problem with this shortage is that it has removed any incentive to keep prices close to NVIDIA’s MSRP. GTX 1070 prices start at $429 instead of $379, while GTX 1080 prices start at $649 (and if you actually want a card in stock, that’ll be $699).

And you snagged one $80 cheaper, wow.

The proper upgrade for a $400 gtx 1070 is a $500 RTX2070 2.5 years later. 32% faster for 20% more money.
or mabe those used $380 gtx1080ti's everyone compares to the rtx2080.
I have yet to find one.

Sorry, the proper upgrade for a 2.5 yr old $400 1070 from 2016 is a $400 2070 today. They don't exist. Could have bought the performance equivalent of a $500 2070 in 2016 for $650 in a 1080. 2.5 years of ownership for $150.

 

[Mopetar]

At 230 and 280 USD, Turing GTX has the same cores-price ratio as the RTX 2060 does. For example, for 1.25x price, one can get 1.25x performance, plus hardware ray tracing. RT is a 'free' value-added feature.

RT on a 2060 is like a spoiler on a Geo Metro. Sure it’s free value added, but it’s also utterly pointless.

I think that card only exists at the price it does so that NVidia can tell developers that there are X gamers with RT-capable cards. Though that might be stretching it, so say RT-enabled cards.

I suspect that this will do much better being below the $300 line even though the value proposition is no better. At the resolutions that most will run, I don’t think the 2060 will be able to provide enough reasons for people to fork over an extra $70.

 

[linkgoron]

wow you were lucky The gtx1070 released in June 2016 for $380 MSRP, was priced gouged for 3 months for $429+ dollars. but somehow you got one for $350.

Quote from the AnandTech gtx 1070 review on the 20th of JULY!

"But the real problem with this shortage is that it has removed any incentive to keep prices close to NVIDIA’s MSRP. GTX 1070 prices start at $429 instead of $379, while GTX 1080 prices start at $649 (and if you actually want a card in stock, that’ll be $699).

And you snagged one $80 cheaper, wow.

Would you prefer prices closer to the end of 2016/beginning of 2017(Only two years ago)? Looking at Amazon prices (not 3rd party):

https://camelcamelcamel.com/GeForce...-GTX1070-8G/product/B01IPVTHL8?context=search
October 2016 for $370

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Gigabyt...70WF2OC-8GD/product/B01HHCA1IO?context=search
December 2016 for $380, went for around $350 around January 2017.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/EVGA-Ge...-P4-5173-KR/product/B01KVZBNY0?context=search
April 2017 for $350.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/ZOTAC-G...P10700G-10M/product/B01LLAJ8PU?context=search
April 2017 for $340.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1070-AERO/product/B01GUAJMRU?context=search
April 2017 for $380

This is just by looking at Amazon. I assume that if I had a historical price finder for NewEgg or Jet or whatever, we could even even better things.

 

[happy medium]

the proper upgrade

Could you define a "proper upgrade" for everyone? performance increase , price, features, power, noise, heat.....
we can use a gtx 1070 for an example.

 

[nurturedhate]

Could you define a "proper upgrade" for everyone? performance increase , price, features, power, noise, heat.....
we can use a gtx 1070 for an example.

Obviously we disagree on the term proper though it is nice that you felt the need to insinuate that I used the term first in our conversations so that you can more than likely attempt to redefine goalposts. But it's clearly in your post and even displayed in the post of mine you are quoting. So, tell the board how you define "proper upgrade" please.

 

[LTC8K6]

Paid $350 in late summer 2016 for a 1070. 2.5 years later I can buy a card that's about the same speed w/ less vram for $280-300. People in this thread are happy about this. You'd have to pay me to feign happiness about this.

Well, $350 in 2016 equals about $370 in 2019, so if the 1660ti is $270 today, it's actually about $100 cheaper.
Plus you presumably get the Tensor cores and whatever they might do for you.

 

[nurturedhate]

Well, $350 in 2016 equals about $370 in 2019, so if the 1660ti is $270 today, it's actually about $100 cheaper.
Plus you presumably get the Tensor cores and whatever they might do for you.

It's more like $357. Also, you are stating people should be happy to spend $270 today for probably no performance gain and a loss of vram for tensor cores. Tensor. Cores. Wow. Someone tell me about all that sweet, sweet barely used transistor budget in vega and the wonders it will one day do for games again please.

 

[LTC8K6]

It's more like $357. Also, you are stating people should be happy to spend $270 today for probably no performance gain and a loss of vram for tensor cores. Tensor. Cores. Wow. Someone tell me about all that sweet, sweet barely used transistor budget in vega and the wonders it will one day do for games again please.

You seem to think most purchasers of the 1660ti will be upgrading from a 1070 or something...

That's not even logical.

Besides, it's their decision to make.

The performance of the 1660ti will not be a secret.

I'm not even sure why you are unhappy/griping.

Either buy the card, or don't buy the card.

The cards will either sell well, or they won't.

Same as anything else

 

[ElFenix]

wow you were lucky The gtx1070 released in June 2016 for $380 MSRP, was priced gouged for 3 months for $429+ dollars. but somehow you got one for $350.

i got one for $350 october 2, 2016.

Would you prefer prices closer to the end of 2016/beginning of 2017(Only two years ago)? Looking at Amazon prices (not 3rd party):

https://camelcamelcamel.com/GeForce...-GTX1070-8G/product/B01IPVTHL8?context=search
October 2016 for $370

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Gigabyt...70WF2OC-8GD/product/B01HHCA1IO?context=search
December 2016 for $380, went for around $350 around January 2017.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/EVGA-Ge...-P4-5173-KR/product/B01KVZBNY0?context=search
April 2017 for $350.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/ZOTAC-G...P10700G-10M/product/B01LLAJ8PU?context=search
April 2017 for $340.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1070-AERO/product/B01GUAJMRU?context=search
April 2017 for $380

This is just by looking at Amazon. I assume that if I had a historical price finder for NewEgg or Jet or whatever, we could even even better things.

yep, mining warped ours (and, apparently, nvidia's) view of performance/$

 

[insertcarehere]

On a more academic note, given that this is made on a seperate die as the RTXes, it'd be interesting to know what the smaller die size does to power efficiency.

 

[NTMBK]

Have we heard what process this is made on? I wonder if it's going to be a Samsung 14nm part (like the old 1050ti), so that they can leave 12nm capacity for the higher profit stuff.

 

[jpiniero]

Have we heard what process this is made on? I wonder if it's going to be a Samsung 14nm part (like the old 1050ti), so that they can leave 12nm capacity for the higher profit stuff.

Seems pretty likely it's TSMC 12.

 

[King Mustard]

If it helps, this is where the relative performance lies (with current pricing):

RTX 2080 Ti (£1,070, 2 free games)
RTX 2080 (£635, 2 free games)
RTX 2070 (£460, 1 free game)
GTX 1080 Ti
RTX 2060 (£320, 1 free game)
Radeon VII (£700, 3 free games)
GTX 1080
GTX 1070 Ti (£395)
Radeon RX Vega 64 (£370, 3 free games)
Radeon RX Vega 56 (£250, 3 free games)
GTX 1660 Ti (£260)
GTX 1070 (£270)
RX 590 (£235, 3 free games)
GTX 1060 (£195)
RX 580 (£150, 2 free games)
RX 570 (£140, 2 free games)
GTX 1050 Ti (£145)
GTX 1050 (£110)
RX 560 (£120)

 

[Hitman928]

If it helps, this is where the relative performance lies (with current pricing):

RTX 2080 Ti (£1,070, 2 free games)
RTX 2080 (£635, 2 free games)
RTX 2070 (£460, 1 free game)
GTX 1080 Ti
RTX 2060 (£320, 1 free game)
Radeon VII (£700, 3 free games)
GTX 1080
GTX 1070 Ti (£395)
Radeon RX Vega 64 (£370, 3 free games)
Radeon RX Vega 56 (£250, 3 free games)
GTX 1660 Ti (£260)
GTX 1070 (£270)
RX 590 (£235, 3 free games)
GTX 1060 (£195)
RX 580 (£150, 2 free games)
RX 570 (£140, 2 free games)
GTX 1050 Ti (£145)
GTX 1050 (£110)
RX 560 (£120)

Your Vega64 and 580 are both one spot too low and your 2070 and 2060 are both 3 spots too high. Many of your prices seem off as well, at least for the US (currency exchange included).