16 nations want to challenge SC immigration law

[davmat787]

It means that their citizens who are in the U.S. *legally* will be profiled and harassed as a result of this law.

How so? An officer makes a legal traffic stop, and like anyone, a legal id is required to be presented to the officer. An illegal would not be able to produce the id, a legal resident would of course and then be on their way depending on the circumstances of the pullover.

What am I missing here that would lead to profiling? Are you suggesting officers would find a marginal reason to pull over a vehicle suspected of having illegals inside?

 

[Karl Agathon]

hmm 16? that is 16 reasons its a good law then.

:thumbsup:

 

[Rainsford]

How so? An officer makes a legal traffic stop, and like anyone, a legal id is required to be presented to the officer. An illegal would not be able to produce the id, a legal resident would of course and then be on their way depending on the circumstances of the pullover.

What am I missing here that would lead to profiling? Are you suggesting officers would find a marginal reason to pull over a vehicle suspected of having illegals inside?

I don't understand this focus on "legal ID". All that's required is "suspicion" on the part of the officer making the stop. He could easily be "suspicious" of someone with ID that seems OK because that person doesn't speak good English and looks Hispanic.

But look at it from the other side, what problem is this solving? If an officer stops someone right now, anywhere in the country, and that person can't produce a drivers license (which you say illegals wouldn't have), wouldn't ANY officer do some checking into that? What exactly does this law add to the process that's helpful?

 

[CrackRabbit]

Complete bullshit. But I guess someone had to bring out the race card.

As for those 16 countries well I say fuck them because they don't pay for services the US tax payer provides to illegals streaming in from those nations.

Bullshit? Really now? Are you saying racial profiling NEVER happens?
Are you saying that US citizens and legal residents will NEVER be harassed by some overzealous cop?

How about I call bullshit on you instead.

 

[Lithium381]

open letter to these 16 countries:
if your citizens didn't come here illegally, we wouldn't be having this issue in the first place, so stfu. thank you. gracias.

 

[Newbian]

open letter to these 16 countries:
if your citizens didn't come here illegally, we wouldn't be having this issue in the first place, so stfu. thank you. gracias.

I vote we charge the countries for every individual we have to ship back to them because they are here illegally and if the country refuses to pay then simply make the individual pay off the cost of shipping them back.

Take the funds the person has probably obtained illegally and not paid taxes on and then make them work it off at minimal wage and once they get the money then ship them back or use said money to pay to become a legal citizen.

 

[Double Trouble]

open letter to these 16 countries:
if your citizens didn't come here illegally, we wouldn't be having this issue in the first place, so stfu. thank you. gracias.

Correct, we have a winner!

 

[pcgeek11]

Screw those 16 nations. As spelled out earlier they have NO Say in what goes on here.

 

[Nebor]

Bad argument. Everyone profiles whether you like it or not, white people are profiled as more likely to be serial killers etc. Doesn't make it right but everyone gets profiled. Arabs are profiled as most likely to be terrorists...Sucks for them. But so what, most modern day terrorists are Arabs. Just like most serial killers in this country are white and most illegals are Mexican, to not profile would gut the CIA/FBI and Police of their best workers [who do profile ALOT].

Say "bad argument."
Agree with argument.

 

[CPA]

Yep, them there countries got no business sticking their nose in the State's business.

Why should they?

 

[shortylickens]

open letter to these 16 countries:
if your citizens didn't come here illegally, we wouldn't be having this issue in the first place, so stfu. thank you. gracias.

:thumbsup:

 

[rudder]

Of those 16 nations... which ones will let me enter the country without a visa/passport and not arrest me?

 

[rudder]

Bullshit? Really now? Are you saying racial profiling NEVER happens?
Are you saying that US citizens and legal residents will NEVER be harassed by some overzealous cop?

How about I call bullshit on you instead.

There are illegal immigrants from Africa, Asia, and Europe. All races. However, the United States happens to share a porous border with a country where the residents generally have the same skin tone. It just so happens people with this skin tone make up the vast majority of illegal immigrants.

If a cop sees a white european looking person standing next to a latino... odds are in the latinos favor that he is the illegal immigrant. Not racism, just going by the numbers.

Because of the number of illegals from central america... some legal residents/immigrants from the same area can be questioned more often than whites regarding immigration status.

More of a reason to solve the illegal immigration problem... securing the border, fining employers for hiring illegals, verifying immigration status before receiving public assistance, etc. Or we can stop enforcing any type of immigration law to keep everyone good and happy.

 

[ichy]

Just like most serial killers in this country are white

Myth

 

[ichy]

I'm pretty sure that a foreign government doesn't have standing to sue a US state over the legality of one of its laws. Can any lawyers chime in on this?

 

[Munky]

If the officer suspects you have drugs, he can search your vehicle. If the officer suspects you're driving a stolen car, he can have the info verified. But if he suspects you're in the country illegally, then he's not allowed to do squat about it? Gimme a break. More sensationalist libnut nonsense.

 

[peonyu]

Say "bad argument."
Agree with argument.

Ok your right, only white people profile. I didn't realize there was a "minority" gene that prevents it in "minorities".

What makes you say that? In other words, can you back that up with some data or relevant experience?

If you dont then you have no instincts. If you wouldn't walk through a certain part of town at 2am then you profile. If you look at someone and think they probably act a certain way based on how they dress then you just profiled. Everyone does it all the time. The people who claim they dont are liars.

 

[Nebor]

Ok your right, only white people profile. I didn't realize there was a "minority" gene that prevents it in "minorities".

I didn't say that only white people profile. Minority cops profile minority citizens just like white cops do.

 

[OutHouse]

why is it so fucking taboo for cops to ask for a passport?

ive traveled around the world and one thing you must keep on you at all times is your passport. you dont have it, you get arrested its just that simple. because i go to Canada Ive gotten in the habit of keeping the passport card in my wallet.

i see and have no issue at all with law enforcement asking a foreigner for their passport and if they dont have it then haul them off.

a drivers license is not proof of citizenship.

 

[BoomerD]

why is it so fucking taboo for cops to ask for a passport?

ive traveled around the world and one thing you must keep on you at all times is your passport. you dont have it, you get arrested its just that simple. because i go to Canada Ive gotten in the habit of keeping the passport card in my wallet.

i see and have no issue at all with law enforcement asking a foreigner for their passport and if they dont have it then haul them off.

a drivers license is not proof of citizenship.

Papers...I demand to see your papers!

I actually support the concept of a national ID for everyone...citizens and LEGAL immigrants alike. It could be used to include driver's license, social security card, etc. I DO NOT support the idea of having a RFID chip in the ID however. Too much opportunity for abuse.

If these 16 nations don't like the USA screening immigrants for their immigration status, maybe they should just keep their people in their own country instead of expecting the USA to provide them with jobs and healthcare.
Try fixing your own countries before you try to fix ours.

 

[csteggo]

"Also the White house is in bed with the nations sending illegals here, this is just more proof that they all need voted out of office in 2012."
Another ignorant sounding statement with little basis in truth. When in reality this administration has done more for the removal of illegal immigrants than any other.

But I really am not against this law. As long as those white people with strong European accents get informed on also. That way there is no racial profiling involved.

 

[fskimospy]

why is it so fucking taboo for cops to ask for a passport?

ive traveled around the world and one thing you must keep on you at all times is your passport. you dont have it, you get arrested its just that simple. because i go to Canada Ive gotten in the habit of keeping the passport card in my wallet.

i see and have no issue at all with law enforcement asking a foreigner for their passport and if they dont have it then haul them off.

a drivers license is not proof of citizenship.

That's really pretty rare to be 'hauled away' for not having a passport. Usually the only people who care about it are cops looking for a bribe.

I've been to dozens of countries on every continent and I've only been asked for my passport once, in Nicaragua. In fact the state department generally recommends NOT carrying your passport on your person when in a foreign country.

 

[gevorg]

Why is it so hard to just ID everyone they stop for traffic violation, and electronically verify any warrants, probation, citizenship status, etc on the spot. Its not racial profiling if you're doing it to everyone and have an easy and fast way to verify multiple information. Once anything illegal is detected, then call the appropriate authorities. Stopping cars just because someone "looks" like an illegal immigrant is fucked up though.

 

[fskimospy]

Why is it so hard to just ID everyone they stop for traffic violation, and electronically verify any warrants, probation, citizenship status, etc on the spot. Its not racial profiling if you're doing it to everyone and have an easy and fast way to verify multiple information. Once anything illegal is detected, then call the appropriate authorities. Stopping cars just because someone "looks" like an illegal immigrant is fucked up though.

They generally do run people for warrants, etc on the spot during a traffic stop. There isn't some huge single database for the immigration status of everyone in the US though, and even if there were keeping it updated enough to prevent huge amounts of wrong arrests, etc. would be a nightmare.

 

[ShawnD1]

The law would require law officers who make a traffic stop to call federal immigration officials if they suspect someone is in the country illegally. Opponents say the measure would encourage racial profiling.

The people who say that are obviously retarded. Police don't only judge you based on looks. They mostly judge you based on how you talk. If you're white and you sound like you live in a trailer park, they're going to treat you like shit. If you are black and sound like a rapper, they will treat you like shit. If you can't even speak English because you just hopped the border, they will treat you like shit.

Hispanic people who sound American would likely not be hassled. A person who dresses and talks like an American is probably American. It doesn't take magic powers to tell who is an immigrant and who isn't. The guy who doesn't know a word of English is obviously an immigrant. This is not complicated. I'm of eastern European decent and I'm very certain police would give me a hard time if they pulled me over and I could only speak Polish.