16 Giant Corporations That Have Basically Stopped Paying Taxes -- While Also Cutting

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It's a golden age for corporate profits. So why don't our biggest corporations pay more taxes?

The brackets are set for the big dance — the dance around tax responsibility. Most of the teams are in the bottom bracket. In this league, the lowest score wins.

Outside the stadium our nation's kids and seniors and low-income mothers may be dealing with food and housing cuts, but on the corporate playing floor new low-tax records are being set again this year. Just as this is a golden age for sports, this is also, as noted by the New York Times, "a golden age for corporate profits."

Corporations have simply stopped paying their taxes, perhaps using the 2008 recession as an excuse to plead hardship, but then never restoring their tax obligations when business got better. The facts are indisputable. For over 20 years, from 1987 to 2008, corporations paid an average of 22.5% in federal taxes. Since the recession, this has dropped to 10% -- even though their profits have doubled in less than ten years.

Pay Up Now just completed a compilation of corporate tax payments over the past five years, using SEC data as reported by the companies themselves. The firms chosen are top-earners who have filed 10-K reports through 2012. Their US Tax figures represent the five-year total of "current" payments.

The 64 corporate teams paid just over 8% in taxes over the five-year period.

The Slink Sixteen

General Electric: The worst tax record over five years, with $81 billion in profits and a $3 billion refund.

Boeing: In addition to receiving a refund despite $21.5 billion in profits, the company ranked high in job cutting, underfunded pensions, and contractor misconduct.

Exxon Mobil: Made by far the largest profits in the group, but paid less than 1% in U.S. taxes, and yet received oil subsidies along with their tax breaks. Unabashedly reports a 2012 "theoretical tax" of over $27 billion, almost 90% of its total income tax expense. The company was also near the top in contractor misconduct.

Verizon: Second worst tax record, with a refund despite $48 billion in profits.

Kraft Foods: Received a refund from the public despite $13.5 billion in profits. Also a leading job-cutter.

Citigroup: One of the five big banks who are estimated to get a bailout/refund from the American public amounting to three cents from every tax dollar.

Dow Chemical: Received a refund despite almost $10 billion in profits.

IBM: Paid less than 3% in taxes while ranking as one of the leading job cutters, and near the top in contractor misconduct.

Chevron: In addition to a meager 4.3% tax rate and a share of oil subsidies, the company has been the main beneficiary of tax-exempt government bonds.

FedEx: The company paid less than 5% in federal taxes while relying on the publicly-funded Post Office to deliver thirty percent of its ground packages.

Honeywell: Less than 6% in taxes, a leading job cutter, near the top in instances of contractor misconduct, and run by the "Fix the Debt" CEO with the largest pension fund.

An 8% tax rate, a leader in job cuts and underfunded pensions, and in the top 20 of contractor misconduct instances.

Notable for an 8.4% tax rate, job cuts, offshore holdings, and the top U.S. spot on the contractor misconduct dollar list.

Apple: Where to begin? Avoiding federal taxes, avoiding state taxes, hiding overseas earnings, engaging in intellectual property schemes, using the "Double Irish" to transfer profits from Europe to Bermuda, and underpaying its store workers despite conducting most of its product and research development in the United States.

Pfizer: One of the leaders in stockpiling untaxed profits overseas, and right behind Merck in contractor misconduct dollars.

Google: A master at the "Double Irish" revenue shift to Bermuda tax havens, while using tax loopholes to bring a lot of the money back to the U.S. without paying taxes on it. Recognized as one of the world's biggest tax avoiders.

Microsoft: Named as one of the biggest offshore hoarders while using tax strategies to bring much of their untaxed money back to the U.S., where it also avoids state taxes.

http://www.alternet.org/corporate-a...porations-have-basically-stopped-paying-taxes
 

cybrsage

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Mostly because Congress (yes, both parties) are bought and paid for by large corporations. But also because, to remain competitive on the world market a company cannot be burdened by draconian tax levies.
 

3chordcharlie

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Mostly because Congress (yes, both parties) are bought and paid for by large corporations. But also because, to remain competitive on the world market a company cannot be burdened by draconian tax levies.
There is quite literally no end point to that argument, and it is not valid, so long as taxes are on profits not revenue, which they are.

The simplest solution might be this: make it quite literally impossible to get sheltered money back into the US without paying taxes on that money. It would certainly be a start.
 

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There is quite literally no end point to that argument, and it is not valid, so long as taxes are on profits not revenue, which they are.

The simplest solution might be this: make it quite literally impossible to get sheltered money back into the US without paying taxes on that money. It would certainly be a start.

We already do that and the result is a lot of money sitting in foreign countries benefitting those countries.
 

cybrsage

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There is quite literally no end point to that argument, and it is not valid, so long as taxes are on profits not revenue, which they are.

The simplest solution might be this: make it quite literally impossible to get sheltered money back into the US without paying taxes on that money. It would certainly be a start.

How does that make US based companies more competitive in the world market?
 

Pulsar

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There is quite literally no end point to that argument, and it is not valid, so long as taxes are on profits not revenue, which they are.

The simplest solution might be this: make it quite literally impossible to get sheltered money back into the US without paying taxes on that money. It would certainly be a start.

You are missing an important point.

Unless you want all your domestic corporations swallowed up by huge overseas conglomerates, you support them in a big way.

The other option is to go the Japanese or Chinese route of allowing overseas corps / holding companies to never purchase more than 49% of a domestic company.
 

3chordcharlie

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You are missing an important point.

Unless you want all your domestic corporations swallowed up by huge overseas conglomerates, you support them in a big way.

The other option is to go the Japanese or Chinese route of allowing overseas corps / holding companies to never purchase more than 49% of a domestic company.
It's actually quite simple to protect your domestic market and capital. It's simply not in vogue at the moment.

It does not even require massively damaging policies (like current market-distorting subsidies); only the conviction that domestic and foreign markets are in fact not one and the same.
 

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Perhaps making the tax rate for businesses zero and closing tax loopholes for share holders whom are getting the profit would be a better solution.
 

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Maybe if we were to cut spending and taxes then we wouldn't have this problem. The government needs to stay in the boundaries of the Constitution.
 

3chordcharlie

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Perhaps making the tax rate for businesses zero and closing tax loopholes for share holders whom are getting the profit would be a better solution.
Also maybe a true story.

So much profit is tied up in share price, and 'accessed' via the options market, that this could also get pretty distorted.

Ironic, given the inherent instability in modern businesses, that they seem overvalued in their long-run (share) price, and yet under-deliver on dividends (due to cash hoarding). It's not like current performance predicts performance in 5, 10, or 15 years; dividend streams have to be considered unreliable in today's market, but are not.
 

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Exxon Mobil: Made by far the largest profits in the group, but paid less than 1% in U.S. taxes, and yet received oil subsidies along with their tax breaks. Unabashedly reports a 2012 "theoretical tax" of over $27 billion, almost 90% of its total income tax expense. The company was also near the top in contractor misconduct.

This one is pretty retarded. ExxonMobil primarily earns profits overseas, it pays taxes in the countries it drills and distributes crude from. In 2011 they paid $100 billion in taxes world-wide, paying $12.3 billion in US taxes even though their total US earnings was only $9.6 billion.

I have no clue why the article summarizes ExxonMobil as paying 1% when if you read further down it mentions 13% and that's from 2011 AND it ignores the metric fuckton of foreign taxes paid. (edit: keep in mind the 13% is factoring in all the subsidies and tax breaks, that number comes from thinkprogress and trust me they got the percentage as low as they could).
 
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A deplorable looking list when looked through the prism of tax obligations, but the fact remains those companies are incredibly successful and house incredible talent in production/efficiency/innovation endeavors.

Just think for a moment of how terrible the United States tax code is? Full of special loop holes, deductions/credits, a kaleidoscopic effect on ethics morals for anyone willing to point it the right way or lobby the correct group of congressman.

The US needs to cater to great business, the list in the OP has a number of them. If we don't don't cater (I don't mean giveaways, I mean effective tax laws) to these business then they will eventually leave and the great business of tommorow will not be located and operated in the States.
 

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Perhaps making the tax rate for businesses zero and closing tax loopholes for share holders whom are getting the profit would be a better solution.

I actually agree on this. Dump the damn business tax and close the damn loopholes and get rid of the excuses of not having business here and see what happens.
 

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I don't understand why people whine about corporations playing by the rules. The ones to blame are those making the rules. If you want to be angry at someone, you should be angry at those in DC.

who are bought and paid for by ______________?
 

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Our leaders are corrupt bastards in the pay of the big corporations. This is how corporate taxes should be handled: you pay taxes on the business you do in the nation, not on business you do outside the nation. That outside business can be taxed by the foreign country if they so desire. That way, corps with phoney headquarters in bermuda and the cayman islands will not get a free ride. Also, it would level the playing field between foreign and domestic firms.
 

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This one is pretty retarded. ExxonMobil primarily earns profits overseas, it pays taxes in the countries it drills and distributes crude from. In 2011 they paid $100 billion in taxes world-wide, paying $12.3 billion in US taxes even though their total US earnings was only $9.6 billion.

I have no clue why the article summarizes ExxonMobil as paying 1% when if you read further down it mentions 13% and that's from 2011 AND it ignores the metric fuckton of foreign taxes paid. (edit: keep in mind the 13% is factoring in all the subsidies and tax breaks, that number comes from thinkprogress and trust me they got the percentage as low as they could).

Someone picking and choosing what facts they use to further their cause? Say it aint so?
 

Pulsar

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Maybe if we were to cut spending and taxes then we wouldn't have this problem. The government needs to stay in the boundaries of the Constitution.

And yet, you want them to prohibit Burka's, a clear violation of the Constitution and the First Amendment.
 

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Corporations will move production overseas if the tax favors them in another country. Raising taxes just gives them incentive to outsource and invest in other countries. They are not stupid.
 
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Corporations will move production overseas if the tax favors them in another country. Raising taxes just gives them incentive to outsource and invest in other countries. They are not stupid.

Why dont more people understand this. Its because of big government idiots and high taxes that we lost so many jobs.
 

CLite

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Why dont more people understand this. Its because of big government idiots and high taxes that we lost so many jobs.

It's other countries willing to have their land and people raped for pennies which has caused out-sourcing. Taxes really aren't a big part of why companies off-shore jobs.

China signed up to have their rivers turn into toxic dumps, and their people herded into factory cities comprised of hundreds of thousands of people. Let them self-destruct under the utter greed and human indifference of that situation and the jobs will eventually trickle back. Personally I'm glad our "big government" got our watersheds, natural resources and air quality back to a healthy state. Obviously there can be too much regulation but at least we don't mutate when swimming in our rivers.

Trying to defend ExxonMobil and "big government" in the same thread, the wolves of P&N will attack me shortly I'm sure.
 

Pulsar

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Why dont more people understand this. Its because of big government idiots and high taxes that we lost so many jobs.

No, it's not. It's because of low labor rates and lax environmental laws. The amount of money companies spend on labor and environmental compliance FAR exceeds the amount they are taxed.

So if you're willing to work for pennies and live in a toxic waste dump, we'll be sure to bring those jobs making widgets back from China.