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Originally posted by: nwfsnake
Find another job. Best way to get the fastest/best promotion at your current company.
that's what i would say.
Originally posted by: nwfsnake
Find another job. Best way to get the fastest/best promotion at your current company.
I guess I'll have to start doing this quietly, then. :\ It feels kinda low/underhanded, but if it's the only way...
Originally posted by: nwfsnake
Find another job. Best way to get the fastest/best promotion at your current company.
Agreed.
Sounds like you have been slow tracked in your current position.
That comment needs more "Respect me because I like to talk about doing charity work without actually doing anything." Keep working on it....
Originally posted by: J Heartless Slick
Originally posted by: nwfsnake
Find another job. Best way to get the fastest/best promotion at your current company.
Agreed.
Sounds like you have been slow tracked in your current position.
That's what I'll do, then. And I have, but it's my fault for not speaking up earlier and for just sitting back and taking it. Lesson learned... if you want something in the business world, you've probably gotta ask for it, as big companies will be very happy underpaying you if you're quiet and don't complain about it.
My first training session is tomorrow, my post groupie. At least I go out there and do something positive instead of berating people and doing absolutely nothign worthwhile to society yourself.
Originally posted by: Stark
wow, two threads inquiring how to get promoted and fired at the same time.
I've found the old 'squeaky wheel gets the grease' saying applies well to advancement, at least in my office.
My co-worker who started 4 months before me and made $1,000/yr more than me at the time has received only one significant raise (and one pathetic raise so minor it's laughable) in the 5 years since we've been with the company despite his hard work. He never formally asked for a raise other than jokingly griping during meetings. I've likewise worked hard, but I've received 4 raises (as well as steady increases in bonuses and a bump to an office rather than a cubicle) during that time and now make quite a bit more than him. I realized fairly quickly that my department was the red-haired stepchild of our agency thanks to my boss' lax management. But I KNEW I was bringing in lots of money for the company and I was able to show that quantitatively. Rather than ask my boss for a raise and then rely on him to put together some request written with weak conviction that he would pass on to the company president for final say, I instead put together a memo with charts (managment loves charts) and bottom-line numbers showing how much value I brought to the company. I gave those to my boss who realized he couldn't improve on that and forwarded them on directly. It's worked every time. Last time they beat me to the punch though and gave me a raise without asking (it was only $1,000 less than I was hoping for so why rock the boat.)
Depending upon your individual circumstances and office politics it GREATLY helps if you can justify it either via bottom-line numbers or some other measure of value.
Sometimes though, you do have to do as others are saying and either jump ship (or threaten to jump ship and see what they offer; just make sure you have a plan in case they don't care.) I know from several friends in banking that that's especially true.
My co-worker who started 4 months before me and made $1,000/yr more than me at the time has received only one significant raise (and one pathetic raise so minor it's laughable) in the 5 years since we've been with the company despite his hard work. He never formally asked for a raise other than jokingly griping during meetings. I've likewise worked hard, but I've received 4 raises (as well as steady increases in bonuses and a bump to an office rather than a cubicle) during that time and now make quite a bit more than him. I realized fairly quickly that my department was the red-haired stepchild of our agency thanks to my boss' lax management. But I KNEW I was bringing in lots of money for the company and I was able to show that quantitatively. Rather than ask my boss for a raise and then rely on him to put together some request written with weak conviction that he would pass on to the company president for final say, I instead put together a memo with charts (managment loves charts) and bottom-line numbers showing how much value I brought to the company. I gave those to my boss who realized he couldn't improve on that and forwarded them on directly. It's worked every time. Last time they beat me to the punch though and gave me a raise without asking (it was only $1,000 less than I was hoping for so why rock the boat.)
Depending upon your individual circumstances and office politics it GREATLY helps if you can justify it either via bottom-line numbers or some other measure of value.
Sometimes though, you do have to do as others are saying and either jump ship (or threaten to jump ship and see what they offer; just make sure you have a plan in case they don't care.) I know from several friends in banking that that's especially true.
Great post, Parrothead. I can make a chart, but my boss has already acknowledged a raise is long overdue... it just has to work its way to to her boss, her boss's boss, her boss's boss's boss, and her boss's boss's boss's boss. I suppose it couldn't hurt, though... thanks!
Uhh, I'm glad I post enough about my personal life on a computer messageboard for you to make that kind of assumption...
I'll be looking forward to the thread you'll be creating tomorrow about the group session.
One other tactic is to "confide" in your boss that you need a couple of days off to go interview for another job, assuming you feel comfortable telling him this. You don't need to actually DO it, just tell him you are going to. Failing that, try and show up in a full suit two days in a week. Make sure to have a bad excuse ready. "I.. uh.. have to go to a.. umm... funeral for my.. babysittttttter's motherrrrr's..... dog." and refuse to explain more. It's good to do this once or twice a year, anyhow. Works best about a month before annual reviews are due.
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Most ATOT-ers post a bit about their personal lives on ATOT, but I notice you and several others seem to be obsessed with mine. *shrugs* If you ever want an autograph, just ask.... and I'll keep you in suspense for a few days about the group session, you can just wait eagerly by your keyboard until then.
Like alot have said, be ready to quit or have another job line up.
I started at McDonalds @ $28k.
Told them I was leaving 5 months later. Got a $3K raise.
Again said I was leaving 3 months later. Asked me to become store manager and got a $5K raise plus bigger bonuses.
8 months later, said I was leaving again and got a $3K raise.
So in less than 2 yrs time, I wanted to leave 3 times and went from making $28K to $45+K.
Of course I knew I was doing a great job and they really wanted me but also I truely wanted to leave every one of those 3 times. Its just they keep giving me more money every time I wanted to leave which was why I was still working at McDonalds.
So if you feel you're important to the company and can quit without being financially burden, it the best way to get raises.
I started at McDonalds @ $28k.
Told them I was leaving 5 months later. Got a $3K raise.
Again said I was leaving 3 months later. Asked me to become store manager and got a $5K raise plus bigger bonuses.
8 months later, said I was leaving again and got a $3K raise.
So in less than 2 yrs time, I wanted to leave 3 times and went from making $28K to $45+K.
Of course I knew I was doing a great job and they really wanted me but also I truely wanted to leave every one of those 3 times. Its just they keep giving me more money every time I wanted to leave which was why I was still working at McDonalds.
So if you feel you're important to the company and can quit without being financially burden, it the best way to get raises.
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